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Author Topic: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo  (Read 243 times)

Mister.Ri

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[Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« on: March 23, 2018, 02:13:52 pm »
Mono Black Aristocrat Combo

Combo 1: Bontu's Monument, Oathsworn Vampire, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, and Pitiless Plunderer. Inifite damage.

Combo 2: Play Marionette Master, put the +1/+1 counters on it with fabricate, and then sacrifice five artifact tokens (servos or treasures) to drain our opponent for 20.

Denni

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Re: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2018, 03:29:33 pm »
I like it, but you cant sacrifice tokens for make damage with marionette master, as they dont touch graveyard, they are exiled when you sacrifice them so marionette doesnt do damage :(

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Re: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2018, 03:31:39 pm »
It does work

This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.) There is technically a brief period where the token is in the graveyard (before state-based effects are checked).

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Re: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 04:43:45 pm »
Can confirm; tokens go to the graveyard, then are bounced to oblivion.

Also, I have tried the infinate loop combo you included in this deck. You need 3 cards on the battlefield (monument, yahenni/salvager/bontu, and pitiless plunderer) with oathsworn in hand. It can be difficult to obtain this state without good card draw/filtering effects.

Don't get me wrong, I love budget decks and combos; just passing along my frustrations over this particular 4 card combo.

(You can use instant spells that pump marionette master's power to make the artifact sac triggers do more work; I do this in my 'Booty Sac' deck. Mono B Monumental Sacrifice was my attempt at what you are going for)

Thanks for sharing your idea!
https://deck.tk/1PJd2YnD - Krokodil; my favorite Standard deck which focuses on -1/-1 counter synergy; currently illegal due to ban on attune. I'm brewing a post ban version...

Standard decks I'm trying:
https://deck.tk/4ixH1ndX - Mono G Monument
https://deck.tk/94QF5WSF - Booty Sac

Mister.Ri

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Re: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2018, 05:38:53 pm »
Thank you for your comments. I am trying to keep it under $50. But this can definitely be improved with the additions of Fatal Push for defence and Treasure Map to filter/draw.

For the 4 card combo, we only need bontu's monument and either sacrifice outlet or pitiless plunderer on battlefield and the other in hand. Oathsworn Vampire can be in the graveyard. Still, this is hard to achieve but you only need to do it once in your life to make it all worthwhile  ;D

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Re: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 03:22:44 am »
Syndicate Trafficker for another sac outlet?

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Re: [Standard] Mono Black Aristocrat Combo
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2018, 08:31:31 am »
Thank you for your comments. I am trying to keep it under $50. But this can definitely be improved with the additions of Fatal Push for defence and Treasure Map to filter/draw.

For the 4 card combo, we only need bontu's monument and either sacrifice outlet or pitiless plunderer on battlefield and the other in hand. Oathsworn Vampire can be in the graveyard. Still, this is hard to achieve but you only need to do it once in your life to make it all worthwhile  ;D

Oh yeah, hitting it is worth losing a lot of games to get there just once a night. Jank wins are the highest form of wins,  just look at the deck's I post.  ;D

I tried forcing both that combo and marionette master together. Two halfway strategies didn't work for me, your results may vary, of course. Even trimming down to just the combo was very hit and miss.

The thing about the combo is the lifegain. If oathsworn is in hand and you have the other 3 pieces on the battlefield  (monumnet, pitiless plunderer, and a sac outlet whichever one), you are set because the monument trigger gets you lifegain. But if oathsworn is in the graveyard to start the combo instead of in hand, lifegain is needed somehow. I found that including enough redundancy to get the combo on the battlefield and oathsworn in hand was hard enough - getting the combo out and oathsworn in the gy with lots of chances at lifegain on the turn I wanted to go off on the combo was too hard.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 08:33:53 am by CardAgain Sweater »
https://deck.tk/1PJd2YnD - Krokodil; my favorite Standard deck which focuses on -1/-1 counter synergy; currently illegal due to ban on attune. I'm brewing a post ban version...

Standard decks I'm trying:
https://deck.tk/4ixH1ndX - Mono G Monument
https://deck.tk/94QF5WSF - Booty Sac