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zerolarge

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Question about some card interactions
« on: April 29, 2022, 09:26:38 pm »

Hello! First time poster here, with a general Magic rules question. What I've read on MTG-Assist somehow hasn't cleared up how some cards might interact for me, so here goes:

Let's say I have Sage of Fables, Kindred Discovery (selected Wizards), and a Willbender face down, all in play. At the point when I turn Willbender face up, will it:

1: Enter with the +1/+1 counter from Sage of Fables and
2: Trigger Kindred Discovery, allowing me to draw a card.

My reasoning for thinking both of these will happen is that Sage of Fables states that Wizards enter "with" a +1/+1 counter, not that the Wizard entering the battlefield "triggers" something that gives it a +1/+1. As for Kindred Discovery, when I turn the Willbender face up, I feel like that is technically a Wizard entering the battlefield, and I should draw a card. Thanks for any help in clarifying this for me and sorry if it's a no-brainer; I'm new to morph!

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Re: Question about some card interactions
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2022, 09:41:01 pm »
Welcome on deckstats.

As far as I know turning a morphed creature faceup does not count as entering the battlefield. Willbender entered the battlefield the moment you played it as morph - though it wasn't identified as wizard (since morph does not give a creature type).
Also turning a creature face up is an activated ability and not a cast.

Maybe someone can post the correct rules text, since I'm browsing via smartphone where researching is quite annoying.  ::)
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Re: Question about some card interactions
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2022, 09:42:37 pm »
Akira is correct. In short, no, morph doesn't count as ETB.

Here's the relevant rule:
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702.37e Any time you have priority, you may turn a face-down permanent you control with a morph ability face up. This is a special action; it doesn’t use the stack (see rule 116). To do this, show all players what the permanent’s morph cost would be if it were face up, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. (If the permanent wouldn’t have a morph cost if it were face up, it can’t be turned face up this way.) The morph effect on it ends, and it regains its normal characteristics. Any abilities relating to the permanent entering the battlefield don’t trigger when it’s turned face up and don’t have any effect, because the permanent has already entered the battlefield.
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Re: Question about some card interactions
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2022, 09:49:21 pm »
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702.37e Any time you have priority, you may turn a face-down permanent you control with a morph ability face up. This is a special action; it doesn’t use the stack (see rule 116). To do this, show all players what the permanent’s morph cost would be if it were face up, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. (If the permanent wouldn’t have a morph cost if it were face up, it can’t be turned face up this way.) The morph effect on it ends, and it regains its normal characteristics. Any abilities relating to the permanent entering the battlefield don’t trigger when it’s turned face up and don’t have any effect, because the permanent has already entered the battlefield.

Here’s the rule text (man that’s a pain on a smartphone).

Edit- I see Sylvester beat me to it while I was struggling on my phone.
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Re: Question about some card interactions
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2022, 09:52:23 pm »
Edit- I see Sylvester beat me to it while I was struggling on my phone.

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Re: Question about some card interactions
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2022, 09:59:28 pm »
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702.37e Any time you have priority, you may turn a face-down permanent you control with a morph ability face up. This is a special action; it doesn’t use the stack (see rule 116). To do this, show all players what the permanent’s morph cost would be if it were face up, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. (If the permanent wouldn’t have a morph cost if it were face up, it can’t be turned face up this way.) The morph effect on it ends, and it regains its normal characteristics. Any abilities relating to the permanent entering the battlefield don’t trigger when it’s turned face up and don’t have any effect, because the permanent has already entered the battlefield.

Here’s the rule text (man that’s a pain on a smartphone).

Edit- I see Sylvester beat me to it while I was struggling on my phone.

Totally agreed. Though you make me look bad for not searching.  ::)
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Re: Question about some card interactions
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2022, 10:16:35 pm »
Thanks everyone for your responses, hearing it in another way has cleared it up for me. I suppose I'll be okay if some of my Wizards pop out normally  8)