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Atraxa - Super Friends (https://deckstats.net/decks/118014/1117855-atraxa-super-friends)
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Revision 61 (https://deckstats.net/decks/118014/1117855-atraxa-super-friends?revision=60)
Added/removed cards:
+1 Bitterblossom (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Bitterblossom)
-1 (SB) Woodland Cemetery (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Woodland+Cemetery)
Changed amounts:
-1 (Main) +1 (SB) Brought Back (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Brought+Back)
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Revision 62 (https://deckstats.net/decks/118014/1117855-atraxa-super-friends?revision=61)
Changed amounts:
-1 (Main) +1 (SB) Oath of Gideon (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Oath+of+Gideon)
+1 (Main) -1 (SB) Rings of Brighthearth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Rings+of+Brighthearth)
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Revision 63 (https://deckstats.net/decks/118014/1117855-atraxa-super-friends?revision=62)
Added/removed cards:
+1 Toxic Deluge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Toxic+Deluge)
-1 (SB) Opal Palace (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Opal+Palace)
Changed amounts:
-1 (Main) +1 (SB) Damnation (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Damnation)
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Revision 64 (https://deckstats.net/decks/118014/1117855-atraxa-super-friends?revision=63)
Added/removed cards:
+1 Assassin's Trophy (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Assassin%27s+Trophy)
-1 (SB) Farseek (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Farseek)
-1 (SB) Jace, Vryn's Prodigy // Jace, Telepath Unbound (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Jace%2C+Vryn%27s+Prodigy+%2F%2F+Jace%2C+Telepath+Unbound)
-1 (SB) Mirari's Wake (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Mirari%27s+Wake)
Changed amounts:
-1 (Main) +1 (SB) Maelstrom Pulse (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Maelstrom+Pulse)
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Revision 66 (https://deckstats.net/decks/118014/1117855-atraxa-super-friends?revision=65)
Added/removed cards:
-1 Oath of Ajani (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Oath+of+Ajani)
+1 Mana Crypt (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Mana+Crypt)
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Why not run Eerie Ultimatum (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Eerie+Ultimatum) over Primeval’s Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rebirth)? Sure, you can’t ramp into it with Mana Vault (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Vault), Crypt, and Som Ring but it does bring back Doubling Season (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doubling+Season), Deepglow, card draw enchantments, and any other important non legendary permanents.
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Why not run Eerie Ultimatum (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Eerie+Ultimatum) over Primeval’s Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rebirth)? Sure, you can’t ramp into it with Mana Vault (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Vault), Crypt, and Som Ring but it does bring back Doubling Season (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doubling+Season), Deepglow, card draw enchantments, and any other important non legendary permanents.
Hi,
I already tried to replace Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Primevals%27+Glorious+Rebirth) with Eerie Ultimatum (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Eerie+Ultimatum) but wasn't able to use it since the mana costs are too difficult to met.
Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Primevals%27+Glorious+Rebirth) was always better and there is no need to run both.
This decks runs 24 legendary creatures and/or planeswalkers and one of them (Atraxa) is sitting in the commandzone, so there shouldn't be a problem to cast Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Primevals%27+Glorious+Rebirth) if needed.
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What about Contagion Clasp (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Contagion+Clasp)/Contagion Engine (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Contagion+Engine)? Both are excellent proliferate options
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@KingKia Thanks for the response! Makes total sense
@Lusunu I think there just isn't much proliferate synergy in this deck. That seems like a very viable way to build the deck, it just isn't what this one is trying to do. Even Tezzeret's Gambit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tezzeret%27s+Gambit) was cut recently.
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@KingKia Thanks for the response! Makes total sense
Sure you're welcome!
What about Contagion Clasp (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Contagion+Clasp)/Contagion Engine (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Contagion+Engine)? Both are excellent proliferate options
Valid point!
Proliferate is a good way to increase counter, but in a planeswalker based deck I prefer effects like Carth the Lion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Carth+the+Lion), Oath of Teferi (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Oath+of+Teferi), The Chain Veil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=The+Chain+Veil), Doubling Season (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Doubling+Season), Brokers Ascendancy or Pir, Imaginative Rascal (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Pir%2C+Imaginative+Rascal) because they have more value than just "increase the counter". Using the ability an additional time, the effect of Carth or just doubling the amount of counters are better in this deck.
@Lusunu I think there just isn't much proliferate synergy in this deck. That seems like a very viable way to build the deck, it just isn't what this one is trying to do. Even Tezzeret's Gambit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tezzeret%27s+Gambit) was cut recently.
Yes this is true. Tezzerets Gambit was an awesome card in this deck, but I think at that time, proliferate was almost the only way to increase counters, but over time there were more and better ways to increase loyalty counters and thats why I cut most of the proliferate cards.
Esper Sentinel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Esper+Sentinel) is just the better draw engine and with Brokers Ascendancy we are able to buff our creatures and planeswalker without paying mana each time.
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@Lusunu I think there just isn't much proliferate synergy in this deck. That seems like a very viable way to build the deck, it just isn't what this one is trying to do. Even Tezzeret's Gambit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tezzeret%27s+Gambit) was cut recently.
Then why run Atraxa as your commander, if proliferation isn't what you're looking to do? I'm sure there are other commanders that synergize with planeswalkers.
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Then why run Atraxa as your commander, if proliferation isn't what you're looking to do? I'm sure there are other commanders that synergize with planeswalkers.
I do not fully understand the question. I said that other effects are better than proliferate but not that I don't need proliferate at all. That's why I also play Karn's bastion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn%27s+Bastion) and Atraxa, because both of them are very good proliferate cards.
But the cards you mentioned are way weaker than the cards I listed in my answer.
For example: Contagion Engine (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Contagion+Engine) cost 10 Mana for double proliferate in the same turn. Carth the lion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Carth+the+Lion) costs 4 mana for a smiliar effect and is also a blocker and a card advantage and in combination with oath of teferi (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Oath+of+Teferi) you can already ult some planeswalkers. This will cost you a total of 9 mana and is way better then the oldshool proliferate cards.
But I'm thinking to adding in some proliferate cards like Flux Channeler (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flux+Channeler) or Evolution sage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Evolution+Sage) since I'm trying to increase the amount of creatures in this deck to be able to block some attackers.
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Just a big thanks for your work on this primer! :D
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Just a big thanks for your work on this primer! :D
Thank you very much for these kind words!!
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Hi!
I really liked the way you built this, but I was wondering why did you remove Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Primevals%27+Glorious+Rebirth) even when on the "Single card discusion" section you seem to really count on this card particularly. Thanks for your time!
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Hi!
I really liked the way you built this, but I was wondering why did you remove Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Primevals%27+Glorious+Rebirth) even when on the "Single card discusion" section you seem to really count on this card particularly. Thanks for your time!
Hi NeroWork!!
thank you for this comment. The primer wasn't actual, so I've updadet my primer now. I was looking for a slot for Lae'zel, Vlaakith's Champion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Lae%27zel%2C+Vlaakith%27s+Champion) and after much deliberation I decided to cut Primevals' Glorious Rebirth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Primevals%27+Glorious+Rebirth) since this spell is very situational.
The card has always served well, but unfortunately had to be cut as it does not help to win the game it will only give us a comeback.
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Hi! It's nice that you updated the primer. I was wondering why you didn't consideer putting the Kaya the inexorable (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Kaya+the+Inexorable) in the deck since it's a good planeswalker to protect your atraxa, the emblem is similar to the one of Tamiyo, Field Researcher (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+Field+Researcher) or even better than minus ability of Tamiyo, Collector of Tales (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+Collector+of+Tales) and is still good to play with the exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Exile).
The same question for Ajani, Sleeper Agent (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ajani%2C+Sleeper+Agent)
One of the planeswalker that are in the deck that I feel is a good trade for one of those is the Ashiok, Dream Render (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ashiok%2C+Dream+Render) , that, yes, is cheap, and it might be usefull, but is highly situacional to really have an impact on the game.
Thanks a lot!
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Hi! It's nice that you updated the primer. I was wondering why you didn't consideer putting the Kaya the inexorable (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Kaya+the+Inexorable) in the deck since it's a good planeswalker to protect your atraxa, the emblem is similar to the one of Tamiyo, Field Researcher (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+Field+Researcher) or even better than minus ability of Tamiyo, Collector of Tales (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+Collector+of+Tales) and is still good to play with the exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Exile).
Hi NeroWork,
thank you for this great idea. I was already thinking of replacing Vraska the Unseen (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Vraska+the+Unseen) with another planeswalker and Kaya the inexorable (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Kaya+the+Inexorable) is a very solid option. Her Plus ability is a good protection for some of the creatures and for Atraxa as well. her -3 is just better than the -3 from Vraska and her Ult is pretty nice. She is also 5 cmc and enters the battlefield with 5 loyalty.
I think I will add Kaya and remove vraska from the list and update the Primer!
Thank you very much I have totally overlook Kaya.
The same question for Ajani, Sleeper Agent (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ajani%2C+Sleeper+Agent)
One of the planeswalker that are in the deck that I feel is a good trade for one of those is the Ashiok, Dream Render (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ashiok%2C+Dream+Render) , that, yes, is cheap, and it might be usefull, but is highly situacional to really have an impact on the game.
Thanks a lot!
Ajani, Sleeper Agent (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Ajani%2C+Sleeper+Agent) is not bad at all, but the -3 and the -6 are not very usable in this deck my opinion. Also his plus ability is a card advantage but thats it.
Poisen Counters are not worth to mention in this deck since we have no other source to provide poison counters and the amount of proliferate sources are also not many. His -3 is just a buff and also not very important in this deck.
Ashiok, Dream Render (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Ashiok%2C+Dream+Render) is extremly strong in high power meta since everyone is playing fetchlands like marsh flats (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Marsh+Flats) and prismatic vista (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Prismatic+Vista) or ramp spells like three visits (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Three+Visits) and nature's lore (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Nature%27s+Lore) or just tutors like demonic tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Demonic+Tutor). And he is also the only source to exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) the graveyards. His Mill ability is also a nice way to get rid of some key cards (with luck) but overall he wasn't situational for me at all since tutoring is very common in high power meta games.
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Hi!
Nice deck and thx for your work on the primer!
What about adding Captain Sisay (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Captain+Sisay)?
Greetings!
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Hey, what's up! Did you see the new Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Teferi%2C+Temporal+Pilgrim) ? Do you think it will have a place in the deck?
Greetings!!
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Hi!
Nice deck and thx for your work on the primer!
What about adding Captain Sisay (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Captain+Sisay)?
Greetings!
Hey, thank you very much!
I already thought about Captain Sisay (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Captain+Sisay), but she is just a 4 mana tutor with summoning sickness and we have black so we can also just play Demonic tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Demonic+Tutor), Diabolic tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Diabolic+Tutor), grim tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Grim+Tutor). I don't think that I need her in this deck.
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Hey, what's up! Did you see the new Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=es&card=Teferi%2C+Temporal+Pilgrim) ? Do you think it will have a place in the deck?
Greetings!!
Hey buddy, thank you for the information.
Yeah I saw the "new" teferi but I'm not sure if he will perform well in this deck. I'm also thinking of cutting elspeth for Wrenn and Realmbreaker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Wrenn+and+Realmbreaker) or Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Teferi%2C+Temporal+Pilgrim) but not sure which one will perform better. So I have to check both and see if there are better than Elspeth or not
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Hey this looks good
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I love your primer! What do you think of the new Vronos, Masked Inquisitor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vronos%2C+Masked+Inquisitor)? His ultimate seems a little weak, but his +1 is decent protection, and his -2 is good removal that hits all opponents.
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Hey Griffin,
thank you for the kind words.
I love your primer! What do you think of the new Vronos, Masked Inquisitor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vronos%2C+Masked+Inquisitor)? His ultimate seems a little weak, but his +1 is decent protection, and his -2 is good removal that hits all opponents.
I've checked Vronos, Masked Inquisitor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vronos%2C+Masked+Inquisitor) at release and tried to figure out how to use him in this deck, but I've decided that he is not worth since he is not doing anything special and is kinda expensive fo 5 mana. A new planeswalker means, that I have to cut another one for it and the 20 Planeswalkers i'm running right now are better imo. His +1 is only usefull if there are other planeswalkers on the table and a phase out effect for 5 mana is not very usefull. His -2 is kinda nice tho but also not really gamebreaking. His -7 can be very nice if you want to kill your enemies with combad dmg or at least have a huge blocker but if I'm able to use the last ability of a planeswalker I would prefer a planeswalker with a emblem or a game winning effect.
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I've also had Atraxa Superfriend but I had the Venser planeswalker , Spike Weaver (https://www.mtg-forum.de/db/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=it&card=Spike+Weaver) and Moment's Peace (https://www.mtg-forum.de/db/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=it&card=Moment%27s+Peace): if you play more removal and prevent combat damage the game is your....