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English-language Forums => General Magic => Topic started by: WWolfe on March 06, 2020, 05:40:40 pm
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With Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths set to release in about a month and a half, what are we hoping for in the set?
My usual wish is for zombies but I somehow doubt we'll see many, if any, in this set. My next hope would be an awesome new Hydra.
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Mostly commander stuff. I hope I get new toys for Kumena, Ezuri, and Alesha. I also hope for more low to the ground commanders that have interesting, yet well-supported design space, as I'm getting pretty bored . I would love to see the finishing of the battleland cycle, the battlebond cycle, the shadowland cycle, or a reprint of the older fastlands.
Outside of commander, less broken cards. THB hasn't been much better than other recent sets with the powercreep (lookin' at you Thassa's Oracle (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thassa%27s+Oracle), Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Uro%2C+Titan+of+Nature%27s+Wrath), and Underworld Breach (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Underworld+Breach)), and it's getting tiring. There will probably be a few bans in Pioneer on Monday, which is annoying.
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The return of lairs (Treva's Ruins (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Treva%27s+Ruins)). Preferably ones that don't have the bounce effect this time around.
The flavor of this set is also supposed to be creating your own creatures. That sounds like Host+Augment to me (as seen on Half-Squirrel Half- (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Half-Squirrel%2C+Half-) and Angelic Rocket (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Angelic+Rocket)). It would be funny, but super unlikely, as un-sets are supposed to showcase mechanics that will never be printed.
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The Battle lands I imagine would be finished in the next Zendikar. That's the set after Ikoria and the partial cycle we have now were in the last Zendikar set.
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Weird and unlikely as it is, I'd love some sort of 18th century whaling references.
It's one of the periods of history I find most fascinating and I'd love to see things like whaling ships (vehicles), harpoons (equipment) and a big mythic white whale.
I'd also love it if there was some stuff on things like wrecks and solitude and cannibalism and all that kind of stuff. The intensity of the voyages and the strain the people went under while on them. Think Moby Dick and the Whaleship Essex that inspired it.
I mean, it's definitely way too niche a period of history to be depicted in a magic set, but if it was ever going to happen, a set about behemoths could be it.
And yea, fine, put in some good commander cards too because why not.
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Yea, not gonna lie, I enjoyed that part of Kaladesh way more than I should have.
Doesn't go quite deep enough for me though. I need more. More whales, more harpoons, more everything.
I want a full Captain Ahab commander deck with a Pequod and white whale and everything. I'd probably be the only one who liked it, but my god would I like it.
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Couldn't you make a whaling ship out of the Weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight)? The crew don't quite match up, but you could probably stretch things to get Ahab, Ishmael, Starbuck, Queequeg, and a couple of others, especially if you don't restrict things to same sex and use both the older and newer Weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) crews. Either Killer Whale (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Killer+Whale), Long-Finned Skywhale (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Long-Finned+Skywhale), Great Whale (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Great+Whale), or Colossal Whale (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Colossal+Whale) (or all of them). Could be your Moby Dick. You'd be in rainbow, so cards like Dockside Extortionist (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dockside+Extortionist) and some of the other pirates could fit right in.
EDIT: I forgot; you can use Surestrike Trident (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Surestrike+Trident), Shadowspear (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shadowspear), or another spear/trident for a harpoon stand-in.
I'm not sure you could find everything you want, but seems pretty doable to me. (Also, I now want to build an Admiral Beckett Brass (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Admiral+Beckett+Brass) pirate tribal treasures matter deck).
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I actually did build that deck and it was remarkably similar to what you described. Admiral Beckett Brass (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Admiral+Beckett+Brass) was the commander, had one of the Ixalan ships, Stormtide Leviathan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Stormtide+Leviathan), surestrike trident (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Surestrike+Trident).
In the end though it was exactly as you described. The references were just a little too far off. It felt a bit disjointed and disconnected from the subject matter. It was kind of fun but the theme wasn't all that apparent so I ended up retiring it. I'd still love to come back to it though if some more relevant stuff came along.
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Some dummy thicc dinosaurs would be nice. We did get spoiled with Ixalan block, but the child inside is screaming for more dinosaurs.
The set seems very Monster Hunter in flavour, so it would be cool to see some sort of people versus the big creatures subplot. Maybe this could be represented by equipment cards that have special benefits if the equipped creature is attacking into or blocking a bigger creature? Maybe to counter that there are some auras that gain benefits in the opposite scenario?
I do hope we get some 3, 4, or even 5 colour legendary creatures. Maybe that will be more likely in the Commander decks, so I guess that increases the chances. Though that wouldn't "play well" with the recent focus on mono devotion with Theros.
A black bordered Squirrel. We can say it ate something that enlarged it like Might Of Oaks (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Might+of+Oaks) from Urza's Legacy.
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I do hope we get some 3, 4, or even 5 colour legendary creatures. Maybe that will be more likely in the Commander decks, so I guess that increases the chances. Though that wouldn't "play well" with the recent focus on mono devotion with Theros.
We went to Tarkir, which was wedge themed, right after going to Theros the first time.
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So with spoiler season about a week away, any specific ideas on what we're wanting now?
I've thought about it and I'm hoping for a Zombie Beast with a really cool LTB effect (no idea what) or maybe a new Zombie lord.
Anyone else have anything specific you're wanting?
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I am still waiting for my cmc 2 or less goblin construct creature
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Fire-belly changeling (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fire-Belly+Changeling) is a goblin construct at CMC 2.
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Universal Automaton (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Universal+Automaton) does it for 1. Any deck too.
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Despite not being a set that is likely to include any of these:
"Sacrifice a creature: Target creature gains indestructible/regenerate (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Regenerate) target creature/target creature gains protection from the color of your choice" effect on a permanent within the G/B color identity.
A nicely balanced set that has cool, not broken, mechanics.
A creature with power 2 or less with an effect like Midnight Reaper (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Midnight+Reaper).
A set that doesn't require immediate bans in assorted formats.
A black equivalent of Karmic Guide (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karmic+Guide).
No absolutely broken cards, like, hmm, Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Uro%2C+Titan+of+Nature%27s+Wrath), Underworld Breach (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Underworld+Breach), Thassa's Oracle (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thassa%27s+Oracle) that dominate (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dominate) formats.
Some more Merfolk with abilities that benefit from being tapped. They printed Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Kumena%2C+Tyrant+of+Orazca) and a bunch of Merfolk in the Ixalan block, but they didn't add any merfolk to that set that benefit from Kumena's abilities (besides getting some +1/+1 counters), which is very odd to me.
No more random goodstuff, braindead commanders like Chulane, Teller of Tales (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Chulane%2C+Teller+of+Tales); Yarok, the Desecrated (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Yarok%2C+the+Desecrated); Golos, Tireless Pilgrim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Golos%2C+Tireless+Pilgrim); Kenrith, the Returned King; and Korvold, Fae-Cursed King (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Korvold%2C+Fae-Cursed+King).
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No more random goodstuff, braindead commanders like Chulane, Teller of Tales (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Chulane%2C+Teller+of+Tales); Yarok, the Desecrated (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Yarok%2C+the+Desecrated); Golos, Tireless Pilgrim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Golos%2C+Tireless+Pilgrim); Kenrith, the Returned King; and Korvold, Fae-Cursed King (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Korvold%2C+Fae-Cursed+King).
I'd actually take that a step farther. I DO want more commanders in odd color combinations, especially 4c, but I want them to be specific. They don't have to be limited to one playstyle but they CANNOT be good at "draw some cards, ramp a bit, maybe play some cards for free or discounted mana costs."
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I never said no 4c, 5c commanders. Just ones like the ones I listed & you specified. For example, I love Najeela, the Blade Blossom (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Najeela%2C+the+Blade-Blossom), as she actually requires a thought process.