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Much fun.
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I see the -1-1 counter synergy which is kinda cute, however I cant see how this deck is going to beat a 250 dollar deck, or even decks that are cheaper.
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peraturabo think what you will, this deck has already shamed many people.
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nice, still i like Scars infect deck better
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Pay attention: Lose Hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lose+Hope) and Viper's Kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) maybe are not useful completely in this deck...Crumbling Ashes (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Crumbling+Ashes) and Browfly Infestation talk about ''-1/-1 COUNTER''....with hope and viper's kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) you don't put any counter on target creature, so you can't destroy them with crumbling ashes (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Crumbling+Ashes) and you can't put an another -1/-1 counter on another creature if the creature enchanted with viper's kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) goes to graveyard...
May I suggest you Plague Stinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Plague+Stinger) instead of Flesh-Eater Imp (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flesh-Eater+Imp)....and Serrated Biskelion (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Serrated+Biskelion) instead of Viper's Kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss)? Lose Hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lose+Hope) is useful because it has scry, and also you can kill creatures easily in this deck
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Pay attention: Lose Hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lose+Hope) and Viper's Kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) maybe are not useful completely in this deck...Crumbling Ashes (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Crumbling+Ashes) and Browfly Infestation talk about ''-1/-1 COUNTER''....with hope and viper's kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) you don't put any counter on target creature, so you can't destroy them with crumbling ashes (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Crumbling+Ashes) and you can't put an another -1/-1 counter on another creature if the creature enchanted with viper's kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) goes to graveyard...
May I suggest you Plague Stinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Plague+Stinger) instead of Flesh-Eater Imp (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flesh-Eater+Imp)....and Serrated Biskelion (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Serrated+Biskelion) instead of Viper's Kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Viper%27s+Kiss)? Lose Hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lose+Hope) is useful because it has scry, and also you can kill creatures easily in this deck
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nope
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Lose hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lose+Hope) is priceless because of the scry. That is the main reason for the card the ability to finish off a creature is just a bonus. Vipers kiss is to stop combo decks from using activated abilities. Serrated Biskellion is actually in my IRL sideboard LOL!!! Flesh (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flesh) eater fits better into the mana curve of my deck and performs the same roll that plague stinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Plague+Stinger) would.
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Fume spitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fume+Spitter)? Glistening Oil (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glistening+Oil)?
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In a aggro control or burn matchup, this deck is wiped out really quickly. You should have some spells that don't target creatures. Despise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Despise) or Duress (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Duress) come to mind.
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I think you guys are also missing the point of keeping the price around $20. I in no way was saying this would win every game, just that it will win the game for you about as often as your friends $250 decks full of planeswalkers and gods lol.
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Your Viper's Kiss (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Viper%27s+Kiss) won't work towards your synergy with -1/-1 counters, since it just makes a creature have -1/-1, without a counter. I thought that might be important to say.
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This deck is great just the way it is, every hand looks good in the hand simulator. One good card to put in this deck would be corpse trader (from Innistrad). He's a 4- drop black human rouge that sacs one of your creatures to reveal your opponent's hand and they have to discard ANY card you choose. I thought it might be a nice addition since some of your monsters' have effects that activate when they leave the battlefield. Also its got a strong body and and can give you some much needed hand advantage over your opponent. Non-infected food for thought.
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I've updated it to its current form. It is much more effective as an infect/-1 deck rather than focusing on the counters themselves. Has been working nicely. Cheaper now too lol.
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I don't get why you have smoulder initiates in this deck. I thought we are dealing infection counters, not life damage.
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I agree. I feel like this deck would be much better served by having Duty-Bound Dead (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Duty-Bound+Dead) or a black defender of some kind--something that can block relatively reliably while the other infect/wither creatures attack as often as possible.
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nevermind my last comment. I am stupid lol
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Best deck ever
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este mazo no vale solo dos dolares,..
Midnight Banshee (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Midnight+Banshee): 1.5 cada una
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Don't run simic against this deck haha. I learned that the hard way in forge. For a 20$ deck, this is one of the best, if not the best I've seen.
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I am very sorry guys but this is not a $20 deck. The price of four Kulrath Knights alone is 19.68. Obviously this deck costs much above $20. I did some calculations and the total cost of this deck as of this posting is $69.56 with lands and $53.56 without lands.
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Don't listen to him. This is definitely a $20 - $25 dollar deck.
Remember kids; pricing is different on every website! It all depends on what kind of supply (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Supply) they have and what kind of demand they're receiving. Notice how almost every online store charges an extra 10 or 15 bucks for the White 2014 Commander deck as opposed to the other colours? That normally has no relevance here, but it's a good example of prices being raised based on supply (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Supply) and demand.
The two websites I use for ordering singles (kanatacg/Wizard's Tower and FaceToFace Games) have Kulrath Knights priced fairly cheap. $1.50, or $3 - $4 for a foil.
I calculated the cost to make it just now, and it came out to $20.40 on FaceToFace, and $24.04 on Wizard's Tower. This is in CAD, so the exchange rate to USD is not so severe as to be raised to the amount you've stated.
@JungleMania: Check more than one website my friend. Your seems to charge ludicrous amounts.
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Just purchased every card for this deck with the exception of the Swamps and Scar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scar) (as it wasn't avaliable) from StarCityGames.com for under $16 and bought 4x Scar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scar) on eBay for $1 shipped. This is definitely a sub $20 deck.
Now just have to wait and then see how it actually performs.
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can this deck be upgraded into a more powerful one? if yes, what card/s? thanks in advance
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Necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter). If u want to spend more than $20, alt him in.
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updated to reflect my IRL changes. Those of you saying it would be better served replacing the initiate with infect were correct. After experimenting the rats are here to stay :) nearly identical price too :)
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This does look pretty good for $20, but there are plenty of "$250" decks that would mince this. A strong control deck won't care about your -1/-1 counters, and you probably can't aggro them to death before they wrath the board. Many popular combo decks, such as Scapeshift (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scapeshift) or Splinter Twin (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Splinter+Twin) will go virtually unanswered by this deck; and you will have a hard time against a Melira combo deck. Also, tron, reanimator, or monogreen infect aggro would give this a very hard time. haha not trying to steal your thunder, this would play well against many casual decks and some competitive decks costing much more, but the title is a little exaggerated :p
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Only Melira/Persist makes this deck not competitive. I have played most of the others you named and they don't fare well. Especially control, it just drags game out longer but I still do more poison than they manage to do dmg or mill. Monogreen infect can't even compare LOL. Tron is crap against it as well.
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You may want to consider adding at least one Phyrexian Juggernaut (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Phyrexian+Juggernaut). It is a 5/5 with a 6 mana cost and it is an artifact. You may also want to consider adding some cards like Cobbled Wings (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cobbled+Wings) which gives a creature flying or Fleetfeather Sandals (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fleetfeather+Sandals) which gives a creature haste and flying.
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Artifacts like Cobbled wings (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cobbled+Wings) etc is unnecessary, twelve of the creatures already have flying. I have alted Juggernaught in instead of Kulrath Knight (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kulrath+Knight) a few times but he isn't as effective as Kulrath's Ability. Don't really need more infect, need more control which Kulrath provides.
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Im just curious, what do you change necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter) for..guess some kulrath knight (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kulrath+Knight) s..seems like in more expensive version there is need for 4x phyrexian crusader (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Phyrexian+Crusader), some skithiryx, the blight dragon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Skithiryx%2C+the+Blight+Dragon), and in most expensive version also 4x inkmoth nexus (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inkmoth+Nexus)...also what to play in sideboard (probably extirpate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Extirpate),
Hero´s Downfall (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hero%27s+Downfall)..) great idea, but seems to be very slow (kulrath for 5 mana and killable by -3/-3 or 3dmg cards, necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter) just 3 mana, and 1/4, less control but also very strong ability..only the price)
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If you would play this Deck on our Tournaments,... you will go home 0:5, This Deck does NOTHING that Twin, Tron, Hatebears,etc. can´t handle. Its slow and ineffective and defintetly not playable in Tournaments...
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What would be a good sideboard for this deck?
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@Annonmander84 - Completely agree, the deck is miserable, has no answers or speed to match up to any sort of combo deck. The only thing I could see it handling is MAYBE some sort of cheap creature based midrange deck but even then.
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Hey, I like your deck! I might go for something like this but I would like to have more cards as kulrath or crumbling ashes, abilities that trigger something on "marked" creatures or player. Any suggestion?
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Id like to try with modern burn deck
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Why is this turd sandwich so highly praised?
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Glad it worked out for you.If you need anything else shoot me a post.
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Deck is amazing ! ) Testing it in MTGO now.
But i usualy have a problem with mana. Maybe there is a way to fix it with some special lands? Or just increase an amount of lands in deck?
Usualy have to mulligan many times, so i wil have 3 lands in starting hand.
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That's good to hear. Skin renderer is always helpful in any type of black deck , and it's a zombie so you can get some good Innistrad zombie recursion going on if you have multiples.
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How about Viridian Longbow (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Viridian+Longbow)? So you can easy give -1-1-Markers to the opponents creatures and poison-markers to him.
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If mana is the problem then consider adding dual lands (but not too many, lest you slow down the deck and your reaction speeds). I encourage for a 60 card deck to have at least 24 lands. I run larger decks and account for my mana accordingly ( at least 1/3rd of the deck should be mana). Also evolving wild is a good land that lets you grab any basic land straight from your deck simply by sacrificing it.
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Using a similar deck that has Necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter). Let me tell you, the first response (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=First+Response) I always get is "you have to be kidding me"
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Forgot to add Caress of Phyrexia (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Caress+of+Phyrexia) as well. Can be a game ender.
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if you have to play a deck that makes stalemates consider a blightseel colossus i know it costs a lot but, its awesome.
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Glad to hear that there's been improvement.
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les than 1 ticket on MTGO bahahahaha Very nice
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this is savage
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played this deck at FNM where I usualy get destroyed by very fast decks, especially affinity decks.
this deck killed it, I didnt win every game but realy surprised some veterans as the contagion clasp (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Contagion+Clasp) shuts down the etched champion (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Etched+Champion) with the Kulrath knight (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kulrath+Knight) on the field and adding counters on tough creatures stops them dead (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dead). affinity relies on counters to win. it needs a good sideboard as they adapt quickly to it. i added vampires kiss and mutagenic growth (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Mutagenic+Growth), pithing needle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Pithing+Needle), dismember (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dismember), the rack (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=The+Rack) and extirpate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Extirpate) to get removal and shut down some combos. The rack (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=The+Rack) is fun when going up against affinity decks.
I tried to modify it and it did not perform as well, i brought it back to its original form and it did great.
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I am very sorry guys but this is not a $20 deck. The price of four Kulrath Knights alone is 19.68. Obviously this deck costs much above $20. I did some calculations and the total cost of this deck as of this posting is $69.56 with lands and $53.56 without lands.
actually, this deck cost me 17.89$ CDN which is like 13$ US at face to Face (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Face+to+Face) games
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It looks like on TCG Player you can get 4 Kultath Knight for around $8...card priced keep changing. I subbed out Septic Rats (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Septic+Rats), Blowfly Infestation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Blowfly+Infestation), and Kulrath Knight (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kulrath+Knight) (took too long to get the mana out) for Caress of Pherexia, Necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter) (great combo with Midnight Banshee (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Midnight+Banshee) to steal all of your opponents creatures) and Whispering Specter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Whispering+Specter). Contagion Clasp (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Contagion+Clasp) is a must for this deck. It always seems to win me the match.
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Melira, Sylvok Outcast (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Melira%2C+Sylvok+Outcast) beats this deck single handed.
Just saying.
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It's really cheap, but won't this deck be too slow? There are too many heavy spells/creatures, giving your opponent too much time to defense
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I was thinking the same thing. This deck is too slow for a lot of decks in modern.
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vas to burlao con ese maso
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This is too slow. The whole point of poison counters is that you only need ten of them vs taking away twenty life. This could do a good job slowing someone down, but I don't see it having a lot of finishing power.
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yeah I agree maybe adding Sicke Ripper would make it faster
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What about this mono green infect?
http://deckstats.net/decks/58512/421475-mono-green-infect/de
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I think that if you added some cards that give your creatures first strike it would move quicker. You can give the opponent poison counters without having to attack him.
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The funny part is the deck creator think modern decks are 250$... try 1000$ average.
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Now that's funny, most of mine don't even break $50 and they still win. But I guess the price tag doesn't speak for the quality of the deck am I right?
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There's also the fact that this deck doesn't have any Melira protection. The removal is in the form of -1/-1 counters. Black Sun's Zenith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Black+Sun%27s+Zenith) is also fairly inexpensive right now, so it may be prudent to include one or two copies in the sideboard.
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This deck just doesn't work. I've tried 8 games now, lost them all despite following the strategy to a tee. Please don't waste your money. Sorry.
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That Kulrath price keeps going up might have to drop one to keep it under $20 lol
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I introduced a buddy to this site .. like a noobie he saw and bought this deck.... the poor guy hasn't won a single game...
shame on you deck stats! lol
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You think most people are lured in by the name? $20 deck to shame their $250 deck? That's like drawing moths to their immolating, fiery death.
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The deck itself has potential but it needs to be more aggressive. For example; just by adding pathway arrows (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Pathway+Arrows) and some rats that have death touch a person could potentially wipe out any threats that hit the board just by tapping the creature. Or playing cards such as hideous visage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hideous+Visage) that can give all your creatures intimidate. This would end games if infect creatures were in the mix. Also if the deck became B/G instead of mono- Black then you could add some variety to the deck and still use inexpensive cards to make the deck function better.
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this deck seems truly awful, it has no game against any modern deck. I have brewed up some pretty awful piles of magic cards..but this is some kitchen table garbage.
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Maybe it would be best as a training deck but I really don't see this deck winning any major tournaments. Perhaps it was just a gag deck, I really can't say.
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Maybe it would be best as a training deck but I really don't see this deck winning any major tournaments. Perhaps it was just a gag deck, I really can't say.
If it is a gag deck, then who are the @#%$@! people who keep voting this up?
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Maybe it would be best as a training deck but I really don't see this deck winning any major tournaments. Perhaps it was just a gag deck, I really can't say.
If it is a gag deck, then who are the @#%$@! people who keep voting this up?
right??
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Lets just call it an inside joke for now.
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This deck has zero chance of being competitive against even tier 3 decks.
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This deck is good but can not even come close to beating Jund, Affinity, Merfolk, Eldrazi, company, or Storm. It gets likes because it is a fun deck but not competitive
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so this deck is meant to maybe beat a teir 3 deck? it stands 0 chance against a teir 2 or 1 deck
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If you mana ramp into black and just drop a bunch of mana sinks then it might stand a chance against a tier 3 deck. I just wouldn't play the deck as is.
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has this deck been played competitively?
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Every time I see this awful pile of cards on the side of the screens, I fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) for new players. this deck would lose to a average draft deck 90% of the time, the other 10% of the time would require the draft deck to be piloted by a mentally handicapped baboon.
Please no one buy this clickbait
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Add necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter)
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How the hell is this deck so highly rated. A deck with 5 land could beat this.
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For a $10 version of this highly liked deck, see my deck list!
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Aside from all the salty comments here, seems like a fun deck to play with for casual play. I, like any other player, can be competitive yeah, but casual play with a bunch of friends has its own decks in mind that won't $#!t on them out the gate. This would be a good deck for that. Some hot pizza, a cold brew, friends and cards. Nice deck build bro!
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But I also agree with JasonCasperLive. Necroskitter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Necroskitter) would be nice here.
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I smell clickbait
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ahahahahahahaahhaah this shit
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Awesome deck! Just might buy it.
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hi good deck
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ooh aah
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Pretty neat man! Definitely budget!!
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That's pretty nasty! Well done! XD
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its 44 dollars
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The comments on this are wack.
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Add Reaper of Sheoldred (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reaper+of+Sheoldred)
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Idea: Hand of the Praetors (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Hand+of+the+Praetors). What's a tribal deck without a Lord?
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20 euros ? creo que te han estafado ya que esas cartas ni suman 10
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50 dollars today.
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the only thing this will shame is you when you show up to FNM with this deck.