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English-language Forums => Deck Reviews => Topic started by: ManaHammer on June 24, 2017, 08:45:13 am
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Back at Ya! (Revised) (https://deckstats.net/decks/88214/747131-back-at-ya-revised-?revision=5)
I am trying to create a deck that has some defense against a player who relies mostly on aggro builds.
The idea is to stay afloat long enough to get a Stuffy Doll (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Stuffy+Doll) Pariah (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Pariah) Shivan Meteor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shivan+Meteor) combo thing going. Possibly getting through Quietus Spike (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quietus+Spike) through using Ride Down (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ride+Down) or Legion Loyalist (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Legion+Loyalist) to make the job easier.
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Aggro or burn?
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Battlefield Forge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Battlefield+Forge) isn't a great pick. I would consider switching to something like Sacred Foundry (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sacred+Foundry)
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Considering the combo you want to use, and the fact that it's to counter aggro, I think you should run something closer to this
Deck: Back at Ya! (Revised) (https://deckstats.net/decks/86132/757333-back-at-ya-revised-/en) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/w.gif) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/r.gif)
Only 2 Path to Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile), you don't want to speed up an already fast deck. And 4 ofs for your combo.
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Battlefield Forge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Battlefield+Forge) isn't a great pick. I would consider switching to something like Sacred Foundry (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sacred+Foundry)
Thank you so much for all your replies. To answer a few of the questions;
1. Yeah, he runs aggro but does also run a burn deck or two.
2. I like Battlefield Forge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Battlefield+Forge) for the Stuffy Doll (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Stuffy+Doll) and Pariah (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Pariah) combo. I can get some extra pain in when I start mana burning.
3. I was thinking of leaving off the Path to Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile) completely. As you said, he already has some pretty fast decks and prides himself on being able to run his hands on two or three lands.
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U still get damage in with Sacred Foundry (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sacred+Foundry), but you can choose, in case you don't have the combo out. And the easiest way to counter burn is life gain.
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Approach of the Second Sun (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Approach+of+the+Second+Sun) can be life gain, and a possible win con
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Or Oketra's Last Mercy (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oketra%27s+Last+Mercy)
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I like both Approach of the Second Sun (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Approach+of+the+Second+Sun) and the Oketra's Last Mercy (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oketra%27s+Last+Mercy) suggestion, but possibly as a side board for if I am up against a burn deck. That hasn't been a problem as much as standing against strong aggro decks.
Maybe I could replace Path to Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile) with Approach of the Second Sun (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Approach+of+the+Second+Sun) for the extra wincon and health boost. However, I get back to the aggro decks out pacing me. Especially token generating decks or zombie decks. Where Path to Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile) might be giving land, but it is buy me the time I need to fortify (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fortify) defenses and get my combos put together.
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You could run green instead of red. With green you have ramp so they can't outpace you, and you can still splash red for your combo with Weirding Wood (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Weirding+Wood) and Unbridled Growth (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Unbridled+Growth).
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Deck: Back at Ya! (Revised) (https://deckstats.net/decks/86132/757599-back-at-ya-revised-/en) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/w.gif) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/r.gif) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/g.gif)
Something like this
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Fireball (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fireball) does the same thing Shivan Meteor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shivan+Meteor), but provides an alternate win con, even in multiplayer, if you ramp to high enough amounts of mana.
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With Mana Reflection (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Mana+Reflection) that mana shouldn't be hard. The effect stacks. 1 Mana Reflection (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Mana+Reflection) doubles it. 2 doubles it once, then doubles that. And so on
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So 4 mana reflection (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Mana+Reflection) changes something that taps for 1 mana into something that taps for 16. Add a truly massive Endless One (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Endless+One) and make it fight Stuffy Doll (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Stuffy+Doll) with Cartouche of Strength (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Strength)
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Those would be cool combos for a different deck I think. I have a pretty solid base for a R/W deck and don't see myself adding green or changing things that drastically. It just wouldn't even be close to the same deck. Also, Cartouche of Strength (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Strength) makes the fight a creature that the opponent controls. This deck doesn't have a large amount of mana ramp, so I think I will stick with Shivan Meteor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shivan+Meteor), but if I make a R/G deck, I like that combo.
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Shoot.. well I suppose in my GW version u could splash blue 😂 Brainstorming. Also any good ideas for W/U/B
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My 2 Sphinx of the Steel Wind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sphinx+of+the+Steel+Wind) came today
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My 2 Sphinx of the Steel Wind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sphinx+of+the+Steel+Wind) came today
Oh boy, that is an expensive one. What were you looking to do with it? Build a whole deck around it? Also, what format?
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I play Legacy/Vintage. It wasn't that expensive. On tcgplayer just let it optimize ur cart with everything except damaged. Even heavily played is barely distinguishable from lightly played
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Check out my Nekusar EDH deck I posted ;)
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I've got them in my 3 color Zombie deck rn, cuz I'm hearing good things are coming for zombies
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Revision 7 (https://deckstats.net/decks/88214/747131-back-at-ya-revised-?revision=6)
Added/removed cards:
-4 Boros Reckoner (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Boros+Reckoner)
-3 Path to Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile)
+3 Nahiri, the Harbinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nahiri%2C+the+Harbinger)
Changed amounts:
+2 Mountain (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Mountain)
+2 Plains (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Plains)
Okay, I know I have changed this a lot, but I am thinking that this might play a little nice and get some more mana out onto the field more quickly.
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Revision 8 (https://deckstats.net/decks/88214/747131-back-at-ya-revised-?revision=7)
Added/removed cards:
-3 Quietus Spike (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quietus+Spike)
-3 Ride Down (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ride+Down)
+3 Ajani Vengeant (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ajani+Vengeant)
+3 Ghostly Prison (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ghostly+Prison)
Here I go, tweaking this deck again. I am finding that the Quietus Spike (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quietus+Spike) is just not ever getting used. It is a distracting threat, that is for sure, but it isn't doing much beyond that. I am hoping that by adding in Nahiri, The Harbinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nahiri%2C+the+Harbinger) and Ajani Vengeant (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ajani+Vengeant) I will be able to stabilize the board more and be able to get my Stuffy Doll (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Stuffy+Doll) Shivan Meteor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shivan+Meteor) combo out there sooner.
I am also chewing on the idea of mixing up the lands a little bit more, like adding Boros Garrison (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Boros+Garrison). I am also still tempted to reintroduce my Boros Reckoner (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Boros+Reckoner) cards in place of the Battlegate Mimic (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Battlegate+Mimic) or the Legion Loyalist (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Legion+Loyalist). Lastly I am thinking about working in Indestructibility (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Indestructibility) or Valorous Stance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Valorous+Stance) to help the viability of Pariah (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Pariah)