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English-language Forums => Deck Reviews => Topic started by: angorashi on July 09, 2017, 06:17:32 pm
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https://deckstats.net/decks/65144/766615-living-end-as-foretold-/en
Okay, so this is an idea that's been bouncing around in my head all morning, not sure if it's feasible yet- but the idea behind this deck is to cast living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) with As Foretold (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=As+Foretold), rather than cascade. That allows us to use
vile Manifestation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vile+Manifestation) without risking cascading into it, and gives us an additional venue of getting creatures onto the field- HARDCASTING them rather than just cascading! The idea is to be able to cast a steadily growing vile manifestation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vile+Manifestation), Hollow One (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hollow+One), maybe even the cheaper hardcasted curator of the mysteries, and use discretion as to when to cast living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) through as foretold (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=As+Foretold). Of course these cards can also be cycled themselves so if you know you're going to be casting living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) soon, just cycle them!
Now, I would LOVE some ideas for this deck, particularly in the sense of removal and sideboard options. Since cascade is no longer an issue, cards under 3cmc are viable again. A third color can easily be splashed on a budget, with cycling creatures such as jhessian zombies (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Jhessian+Zombies) to grab shock (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shock) lands. I'm a bit torn between splashing green or red.
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Exiling cards is ur best bet for removal, otherwise they'll comeback with Living End (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End). You could go white for Angelic Purge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Angelic+Purge) or red for Magma Spray (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Magma+Spray)
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There are better options than Street Wraith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Street+Wraith) also.. it's there to essentially reduce the size of your deck because it's manaless cycling
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Angelic purge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Angelic+Purge) looks like an excellent choice! Sacing a vile manifestation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vile+Manifestation) or hollow one (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hollow+One) right before a living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) is delicious :)
Street wraith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Street+Wraith) though, I'm more torn on. Being a free cycler is amazing for putting out an early hollow one- not to mention being perfectly themed for living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) as a whole. I'm giving it a shot with using architects of will (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Architects+of+Will) instead, however
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The only time I'd use street wraith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Street+Wraith) is if u finished ur deck and ur under 60 cards. Because other than Cycling he isn't very good
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Living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) is basically a mass reanimation spell. I would remove street wraith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Street+Wraith) for reanimation targets. U can check legality or use ur own but good ones are Iona, Shield of Emeria (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Iona%2C+Shield+of+Emeria), Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Elesh+Norn%2C+Grand+Cenobite), Ulamog the Ceaseless Hunger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ulamog%2C+the+Ceaseless+Hunger), and Blazing Archon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Blazing+Archon). Of course there are others, but you should focus on big things with game ending abilities and support. So maybe remove 4 Street Wraith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Street+Wraith) wnd add Ulamog, Elesh Norn, Blazing Archon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Blazing+Archon), and Buried Alive (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Buried+Alive) (one ofs)
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Ok they're all legal except buried alive (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Buried+Alive), which can just be a Street Wraith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Street+Wraith)
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The thing is you also need a way to put your living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) targets into the graveyard. That's why cyclers are used. They put themselves into the graveyard, often replacing themselves with another cycler, etc, making it very easy to living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) into a LOT of creatures. How would I put Ulamog or Iona into the graveyard reliably? I would need to replace a large chunk of my deck with looter effects. That would force me to go the route of having a few really strong reanimator targets, in which living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) isn't really worth it anymore and you might as well just build a Goryo deck.
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There are plenty of cards.. if ur going white for Angelic Purge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Angelic+Purge) you could do Peace of Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Peace+of+Mind)
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Life Gain, and less mana than some cycling in case ur down to one mana
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So u can just dump all ur creatures into the GY before living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End)
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Celestial Dawn (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Celestial+Dawn) for mana fixing essentially makes all your land tap for any color
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Deck: Living End: As Foretold! (https://deckstats.net/decks/86132/766653-living-end-as-foretold-/en) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/w.gif) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/u.gif) (https://deckstats.net/mana/m/b.gif)
Something like this maybe?
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true, but cycling shines because it not only puts the creature in the graveyard, it replaces itself with another card in your hand. I think you're underestimating the board wipe power of living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) as well. Ideally you're wiping their board at the same time as you put a lethal damage amount of creatures from your graveyard onto the battlefield. I mean, your idea could be worth playtesting, but it just ups the amount of cards you HAVE to have in your hand to pull it off. With this version, yes you need as foretold (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=As+Foretold) and living ends (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ends), but with so many cyclers you reach them much faster while filling your graveyard with a bunch of cyclers that are more or less interchangable in usefulness, along with hollow one (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hollow+One) and vile manifestation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vile+Manifestation) that can either be beaters until you reach living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) OR more cyclers, whichever you choose.
I might make a goryo deck too, I do love reanimator. I just feel like you're wanting to mash the two decks together and I can't see it working well.
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I should also mention that I only build what I can budget. I have the iona but elesh and ulamog are unrealistic for me right now
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U don't have to have those cards, but if u end up with Peace of Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Peace+of+Mind) on the board and Elesh Norn in ur hand.. u have to rememer living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) is everyone, if they have stuff in their GY, it's coming back too. Stuff like Blazing Archon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Blazing+Archon) and Elesh Norn benefits by downplaying the disadvantage of them getting things back too
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Try TCGPlayer, then optimize ur cart and select all card conditions except damaged, there's barely ANY difference between lightly played and heavily played, other than the cost
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Obviously yes, Ulamog and Elesh are still expensive.. something to work towards if the deck does well. Perhaps 2 Desolation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Desolation) Twins instead? That's 40 power on board
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Cutting Ulamog and Elesh for 2 Desolation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Desolation) Twins brings the deck from $185 to $157..
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Putting a creature onto the battlefield through living end (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) doesn't activate cast triggers. ETB triggers are great but desolation twin (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Desolation+Twin) wouldn't place a token.
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Still good tho :P especially since late game you could cast one.. of course if you have something else u wanna use totally go for it
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Hey it's me, dinglepoop! I watched your game when you played this deck.
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thanks for dropping by haha! Updated it with the lurching rotbeast (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lurching+Rotbeast) and a couple expertise spells, still testing and changing :)