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English-language Forums => General Magic => Topic started by: nifty129 on May 12, 2019, 11:32:10 pm
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So now that war of the spark has been out for a while.
I was thinking it was time to address the dropping estimated value per box, and more specifically the dropping walker value.
I just recently calculated that if you were to grab all 20 uncommon walkers in the set, you'd be looking at about 7 dollars, 5 without Narset.
So compare that to something like a curious obsession (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Curious+Obsession), a fatal push (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fatal+Push), or a light up the stage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Light+Up+the+Stage).
I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that the Wizards succeeded with the walker theme of this set to the same degree they did with legendaries in Dominaria.
Or in the end did it all just fall a little flat of your expectations.
No right answers, just have fun.
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What sites prices did you base this on? Not disputing your prices, just curious.
I think if you like planeswalkers then yea, it was probably a hit for ya. If some of them fit your decks, then yea it was probably a hit for ya. Personally I only like three of them and they all slotted into my GAA deck. But then again, I'm personally not a big fan of PW in my decks.
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All priced out on tcg, the average uncommon walker is about 10 cents, Saheli and Ashiok are a buck, Narset is two dollars. It struck me as strange with the set being about a week or two old. Narset is the only one seeing any competitive play, so that's about 5 percent walker viability rate. I would hate to open this product in sealed on draft events, could lead to a lot of hurt feelings.
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Mtg Goldfish lists the expected value of a box and pack. A pack comes out to about $2.90 and a box is about $105. They explain their methodology which is pretty logical.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-expected-value-of-war-of-the-spark
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Used to be 130, like that's what a 25 percent drop in two weeks, that's rough. Guilds and allegiance are still at 115, and there older sets.
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I would have to say WotC did exactly what they intended. Any set that has an overabundance (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Overabundance) of a type of card (comparative to other sets), ie Legendries in Dom or Planeswalkers in War, the value of the majority of those cards are going to be low with a couple slightly more expensive ones.
As for playability value I'd say they kind of hit the ball again. Standard is having fun with them, Modern gets their couple they really like, and EDH gets new utility cards.
Now personally, I like seeing playability value. I don't really collect for Monetary value due to fact I never plan on selling my cards. But as an strictly EDH player who plays Focused or Optimized decks. I loved this set. There were plenty of cards that I used to upgrade my decks.
That all being said, I do think EDH players got the better end of the deal with War of the Spark.
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I'm (as EDH Player) happy with the new walkers. Especially the new Tamiyo and Ashiok offer a great utility comapred to the CMC. Some others are also kinda interesting because of their utility.
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I totally agree with leonixious (and Judaspriester). In standard i've seeing some of the uc walkers, f.e. tybalt in mono red.
I really like this pws to optimize the decks.
I'm convinced some of the pws will get some more value during time ... and they trigger some things i like: legendery sorcerys, mox amber (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Mox+Amber) and board the weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Board+the+Weatherlight).
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I would certainly like to see the lesser known walkers get a uptick in play, but my bet is that it won't be till rotation in the fall.
It might be a similar situation that we got with Ixalan, where the ev popped up for a while when Kaladesh stopped overshadowing it.
So in that case we would need to loose cards like Og Tefari, Og Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn), Og Angrath.
The enchantments might be more useful too without search for Azkanta.
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I'm still hoping for a Koth in a future set.
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I'm hoping they change their minds and let The Wanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Wanderer) be Elspeth or Emrakul. I would like to see more of a focus on different Planeswalkers.
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Most of the planeswalkers are more balanced and also have a good static ability. I had fun even using Thibalt during the pre-release. Most of the planeswalkers aren't overpowered with a few exceptions of course. The low value of them comes from some being uncommon and some of those uncommons aren't that bad at all. They are easy to obtain money wise and do interesting things. It also gives any new players a chance to own their very first planeswalker at a small price compared to say Teferi(previous set) is up in price.
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I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Game+Plan) alittle 😂
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I can see the use of the new walkers in commander for sure. Unfortunately as far as standard in concerned in Arena, it's mostly been hey look at my 8 Tefari's.
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I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Game+Plan) alittle 😂
Well, if you can't recover (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Recover) with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong. ;)
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I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Game+Plan) alittle 😂
Well, if you can't recover (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Recover) with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong. ;)
That's why I try and have a Riftsweeper (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Riftsweeper) in each Muldrotha, the Gravetide (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Muldrotha%2C+the+Gravetide) deck I build. (Fav commander atm)
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I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Game+Plan) alittle 😂
Well, if you can't recover (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Recover) with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong. ;)
That's why I try and have a Riftsweeper (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Riftsweeper) in each Muldrotha, the Gravetide (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Muldrotha%2C+the+Gravetide) deck I build. (Fav commander atm)
Nice tip with Riftsweeper (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Riftsweeper). I somehow missed him until now for Muldrotha (currently got one permanent-only, thinking about superfriends).
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I've never liked Planeswalkers, they're just far too much value for their mana cost, so they tend to swing a game really heavily if one player has them and another doesn't. The newer Planeswalkers aren't so bad with only one or two abilities, but they cause the same problems on a slightly smaller scale. The only positive of WotS Planeswalkers for me is that they are so common now that you can try them out easily, so you can use them more casually and counter the power imbalance of your opponent using a Planeswalker. But the guy with the cash to splash on 4x Nicol Bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) and 4x of each Tefari etc. is still going to massively overpower any casual player.
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I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Game+Plan) alittle 😂
Well, if you can't recover (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Recover) with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong. ;)
That's why I try and have a Riftsweeper (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Riftsweeper) in each Muldrotha, the Gravetide (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Muldrotha%2C+the+Gravetide) deck I build. (Fav commander atm)
Nice tip with Riftsweeper (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Riftsweeper). I somehow missed him until now for Muldrotha (currently got one permanent-only, thinking about superfriends).
To show the value of the new War Planeswalkers and to make a suggestion to Judaspriester...
https://deckstats.net/decks/121107/1279106-muldrotha-walker-s-graveyard/en
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@leonixious not exactly how I would build it, but I agree with the direction. ;)
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I don't think this is a problem. The mythic and rare slot do what they do but the uncommons at least are just enchantments/artifacts with activated abilities and charge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Charge) counters. Looking at other recent sets uncommons are very cheap - actually the WAR uncommons are more valuable than most other uncommons. That to me sounds like good design - if it takes away from the value of the higher rarities. As a player it's really frustrating to see that a simple and moderately powerful card is printed at a high rarity, locking it completely out of my price range. These walkers don't do that, I can now put actually useful walkers in my decks without having to pay tens of dollars for them.
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I think they're fine. A lot of even the uncommons are playable in certain situations but not to be overpowering. Narset being the best uncommon for most formats is pretty clear, imo.
What I find curious about your initial statement is that you compared the uncommon walkers to uncommons of other sets, saying only narset is worth a couple bucks, with Ashiok and Saheeli being worth a buck, then mentioned, Fatal Push (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fatal+Push), Curious Obsession (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Curious+Obsession) and Light up the Stage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Light+Up+the+Stage). Why I find that curious is that you listed three uncommons from WAR worth over a dollar, but only one from each of Aether Revolt, Ixalan and one of the Ravs (I always get them mixed up in my head). Usually a set might have one uncommon worth anything while it's in standard, and if it stays up its a really good uncommon (looking at you, fatal push (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fatal+Push)). This set currently has three planeswalkers at uncommon worth more than a dollar and I can think of one more that will be there (Liliana's Triumph (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Liliana%27s+Triumph) - who doesn't like Diabolic Edict (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Diabolic+Edict)?) So potentially 4, and all 4 of those I can see retaining that roughly dollar to three dollar value even post rotation, since Narset is basically a god in all formats, saheeli has places and mill is fun to some people (and again, who doesn't like Diabolic Edict (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Diabolic+Edict), now available in modern!) So yes, I feel like WotC did a good job with these walkers. They're unique, they, in general, fit the power level of their respective rarities and they have decent value (I actually expect a handful of the rare walkers to go up significantly in price as the years progress. They're good, but it's too early and the set was so heavily opened at the start that prices are low as people try to recoup (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Recoup) their investment.)