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Title: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: Jesterskull on March 02, 2024, 12:46:34 am
Pip-boy 3000 (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pip-Boy+3000)

I feel either we are going to need to do either need a MTG version of this for the future.

Or we going to need another Fallout set (which we easily still can)......I mean there was a lot of Fallout related monsters and characters that didn't make the cut.

Like Benny, the Chinese Stealth Suit, or that giant cannibal whale in Fallout 4 (cut content)...

Honestly was surprised we got Winding Constrictor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Winding+Constrictor)..... Since the only Snakes in all of Fallout are in Van Buren. (A Cancelled Fallout Game)

Plus I am sure when the TV show releases, we might Fallout TV Show Character cards like the DnD movie did.

(edit: Honestly I could go on for Hours but there nowhere to focus about Fallout and MTG at the same time.)
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: Landale on March 02, 2024, 09:45:54 am
I don't really see the comparison to Arcane Signet (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Arcane+Signet) here. One mana to cast, two to equip, plus whatever for the body in the first place.
It's just a clunky weakened mix of Bear Umbra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bear+Umbra), Pirate Hat (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pirate+Hat), and Armory of Iroas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Armory+of+Iroas).
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: SeptemMTG on March 02, 2024, 01:57:34 pm
I think at least in any voltron white/color combination this is handy and almost an auto include.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: Jesterskull on March 02, 2024, 05:15:22 pm
Yes...... White Voltron.....

Totally not running a Shagrat, Loot Bearer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shagrat%2C+Loot+Bearer) Edh deck stealing the other 3 Pip-Boy 3000 (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pip-Boy+3000) cards this week.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: Kelly on March 02, 2024, 06:28:39 pm
It's a good point in general though.  I remember playing Half Life deathmatch with mods years ago and seeing Santa Claus beat Ronald McDonald to death with a crowbar.  I was in for it then.  UB is a harder pill for me to swallow though, being mechanically unique.  Magic has always been ridiculous (eg a squirrel equipped with a sword defeating a zombie), but at least there was some manner of consistency in the flavor.  I hope WotC come out with a reskin slot in a future UB masters set or something for those who prefer to keep it 'in universe'.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on March 02, 2024, 09:37:57 pm
This won't be played anywhere near as much as Arcane Signet (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Arcane+Signet). It takes three mana upfront and a creature to equip it to. It's closer to Sword of the Animist (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sword+of+the+Animist).
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: anjinsan on March 04, 2024, 12:13:03 am
The effect is a lot less powerful than any of the ramping swords. It’s 1+2 mana but you also need to have a creature out - you’re not playing this T2 for ramp - and you have to be able to attack with it. Then, you untap lands but you can’t float mana - you can’t use this to cast one big thing. That’s way more limiting.

Obviously it has upside - untap your Cabal Coffers (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Cabal+Coffers), etc - and flexibility (the looting is also neat, and the counters have their place too) but I’d much rather have Animist or Sword of Blink (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Blink) and Ramp.

Magic has always been ridiculous (eg a squirrel equipped with a sword defeating a zombie), but at least there was some manner of consistency in the flavor.
Yeah, all the cyborg aliens, transforming mech vehicles (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vehicles) and all the LotR things are really ruining it for me. I want to go back to the days where we only had a few cyborg aliens and transforming mech vehicles (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vehicles), and only clones of LotR stuff.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: EMaxxi on March 09, 2024, 09:39:47 am
I don't really see the comparison to Arcane Signet (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Arcane+Signet) here. One mana to cast, two to equip, plus whatever for the body in the first place.
It's just a clunky weakened mix of Bear Umbra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bear+Umbra), Pirate Hat (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pirate+Hat), and Armory of Iroas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Armory+of+Iroas).
Yeah.
In my experience, raw power trumps flexibility these days. Especially in Commander, where everyone is trying to go over the top (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Over+the+Top) of the others.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: crimsonking on March 10, 2024, 11:57:13 am
It looks like a mix between Sword of the Animist (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sword+of+the+Animist) and Smuggler's Copter (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Smuggler%27s+Copter), plus a third random ability.
Both cards are quite strong in EDH (although not remotely as omni-present as Arcane Signet (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Arcane+Signet)) and the versatility is surely a plus.
Personally, I'd have preferred it to be 2 mana to cast and 1 to equip, instead of the other way around.
The way it is costed, it won't trigger before turn 3 (worse than any 2-mana rock or any 1-mana dork, then) and, even then, it will basically pays for its own equip cost.
Moreover, it grants no static buff (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Buff) so, unless you're choosing the +1/+1 ability (the worse of the bunch, I'd say), the equipped creature must be already worth attacking by itself.
A neat card, but nothing spectacular, I'd say. Although the story teaches us that Umezawa's Jitte (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Umezawa%27s+Jitte)'s three abilities, while unassuming when picked individually, made for a ground-breaking card when merged together.
Time will tell...
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: crimsonking on March 10, 2024, 12:27:40 pm
Magic has always been ridiculous (eg a squirrel equipped with a sword defeating a zombie), but at least there was some manner of consistency in the flavor.
Yeah, all the cyborg aliens, transforming mech vehicles (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vehicles) and all the LotR things are really ruining it for me. I want to go back to the days where we only had a few cyborg aliens and transforming mech vehicles (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vehicles), and only clones of LotR stuff.
I agree: WotC is being very lazy with the setting of their expansions, lately.
I mean, Phyrexia: All Will Be One (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=All+Will+Be+One) is just the Invasion 2.0 (i.e. a self-rip-off, so to say), Crimson Vow is just a rip-off of the red wedding from Game of Thrones, Strixhaven (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Strixhaven) is a rip-off of Harry Potter, Kaldheim is a carbon-copy of norse mythology, Ikoria is just Godzilla vs King Kong etc.
The last new setting that felt really original to me was Ixalan, 6 years ago (and even that was a clear reference to the age of conquistadores).
This said, MtG hasn't always been like this and, while a point can be made that any high-fantasy setting is basically a rip-off of the Lord of the Ring, I think it's still a kind of unfair statement.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: Queervidual on March 10, 2024, 01:27:23 pm
Quote
want to go back to the days where we only had a few cyborg aliens and transforming mech vehicles (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vehicles), and only clones of LotR stuff.

Phyrexians be like: WE A JOKE TO YOU? A mere small portion when we were like compleating the narrative since the dawn of storytelling in MTG?
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: EMaxxi on March 10, 2024, 03:54:44 pm
I hope WotC come out with a reskin slot in a future UB masters set or something for those who prefer to keep it 'in universe'.
I don't think it will ever happen. There is waaaay too much stuff to reskin today compared to 2 years ago, when they made the Stranegr Things Universes Within.
Also, they can't change the cards' text for gameplay consistency so, for example, a lot of the Warhammer 40000 cards can't be reskinned because they are using Warhammer-specfic creature types (Tyranid, Astartes).
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: anjinsan on March 13, 2024, 12:41:59 am
I agree: WotC is being very lazy with the setting of their expansions, lately.
I mean, Phyrexia: All Will Be One (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=All+Will+Be+One) is just the Invasion 2.0 (i.e. a self-rip-off, so to say), Crimson Vow is just a rip-off of the red wedding from Game of Thrones, Strixhaven (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Strixhaven) is a rip-off of Harry Potter, Kaldheim is a carbon-copy of norse mythology, Ikoria is just Godzilla vs King Kong etc.
The last new setting that felt really original to me was Ixalan, 6 years ago (and even that was a clear reference to the age of conquistadores).
This said, MtG hasn't always been like this and, while a point can be made that any high-fantasy setting is basically a rip-off of the Lord of the Ring, I think it's still a kind of unfair statement.
Sorry, Strixhaven (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Strixhaven) is like Harry Potter because... it involves both magic, and a "school" (that's actually a university)? That's like saying that All Will Be One (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=All+Will+Be+One) is a ripoff of the Wars of the Roses because both involve people fighting. Original Magic is most definitely more a rip-off of Lord of the Rings (elves (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Elves), dwarves, etc) than Strixhaven (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Strixhaven) is of anything, apart of course from Arabian Nights which is definitely not ripped off from anything at all.

There isn't really anything truly original these days - but so what? Having a set be deliberately inspired by something because that something is cool seems perfectly legit to me.
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: EMaxxi on April 03, 2024, 06:12:32 pm

Pip-Boy 3001
https://www.mythicspoiler.com/otj/cards/lostjitte.html
Title: Re: Pip-Boy 3000.... is likely going to become a staple like Arcane Signet
Post by: ERMTD on April 29, 2024, 12:17:55 am
It’s a good take, even as others mentioned, not nearly as good as Arcane Signet (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Arcane+Signet). I think not even close. And you forget (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Forget) that there is a good portion of players like me that do no like universe beyond cards as much.