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Title: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on February 26, 2017, 03:26:32 pm
Sorry, I beat you to it Jabilac.  :P

Magic just released spoilers (albeit a few weeks now) full art lands! Two of the three planeswalkers have also been revealed!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/129/371/200/283/636236429770553723.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/129/368/200/283/636236423325941044.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/129/370/200/283/636236426987375629.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/129/369/200/283/636236424727495449.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/129/367/200/283/636236422173150882.png)

Introducing Gideon, Martial Paragon and Liliana, Death's Manipulator

(http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/4ZM1XUxGvS1-216x302.png) (http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RqvbKoQnqX1-216x302.png)

I am liking the design of the lands, from what we've seen so far. I am not sure I like the artwork of the planeswalkers, that being said, Gideon does look quite bad ass (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Bad+Ass). I'm not surprised to see Gideon, but I am to see Liliana, so soon after Eldritch Moon. I just hope they don't give Gideon a (+1) 5/5 indestructible, again.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on February 26, 2017, 04:00:38 pm
Gideon looks like he means business and just wiped out a small army. Now he's coming for you.
Lilliana has the ok what's going on here look. I just want to see on how the Gatewatch deals with Bolis.
Then the 5 gods and each has a trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial), is interesting as well. Not to mention that Bolis is going to have homefield advantage.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on February 26, 2017, 04:32:12 pm
I'm actually a little upset with the full art lands. I liked that that was a Zendikar thing: it fit the theme of the plane well and made it unique.

I'll be interested in how this story goes. Liliana doesn't like him, but he does owe Bolas and I'm not sure the rest of the Gatewatch knows about their connection.

Also, while I like the linearity of the story, I'm getting tired of the same planeswalkers reused over and over. We had a few new ones introduced, but it seems like they're doing a lot of one and dones to pad the old favorites (Narset, Tamiyo, Arlinn, Devin Baan, Sareeli). Let's have a focus on some of the newer planeswalkers adjusting to their new powers.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on February 26, 2017, 08:17:14 pm
*Shakes Fist* Mnemosyne!!!!!!!!   ;D


Seriously though, when I first saw the new Full Art lands I was a little upset that they all had Bolas Horn's in each one.  Then I started to think about it and I felt like it really drove home how much power he has throughout the plane.  Where ever these people look they can see his influence, they can't even appreciate the sky without seeing his image.  So while I think it was very thematic in Zendikar to have Full Art Lands, I also think they kind of needed them here to tell us how influential Bolas is without telling us :)

I am stoked about the new Gideon and not surprised at all since Ally of Zendikar wasn't suppose to be Standard in Kaladesh.  Ally of Zendikar is a beast but I am hoping, like you Mnemosyne, this new version will bring something new to the table. Liliana will probably face another one of her Demons on this plane, if thats true then it will represent a big change in her character, and will need a new card.  Maybe this one will make bigger waves in Modern.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: WWolfe on February 27, 2017, 02:08:58 am
Sucks that the full art lands aren't in every pack (like 1 out of 4 I think was what it said).

Speculation is high that those particular Lili & Gideon are for the Planeswalker decks though I don't believe that's been officially announced. Either way that tells us who two of the PW's are for this set.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Epic_Gamer36 on February 27, 2017, 02:24:11 am
I love the new full art lands art, but the only problem is that they only print them in 1 in 4 boosters, which is probably just a way of getting people to buy packs.
The new planeswalkers are also the ones in the planeswalker decks, so I'm not expecting them to be very good.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on February 27, 2017, 02:47:37 am
The planeswalkers are in the planeswalker decks but everytime those are the dumbed down version of the planeswalkers we get in packs
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 01, 2017, 12:01:48 am
Gideon looks like he means business and just wiped out a small army. Now he's coming for you.
Lilliana has the ok what's going on here look. I just want to see on how the Gatewatch deals with Bolis.
Then the 5 gods and each has a trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial), is interesting as well. Not to mention that Bolis is going to have homefield advantage.

You're right Rob, he does look like he's decimated a small army with his hand tentacles, and he seems happy about it! Quite disconcerting if you ask me...

I'm actually a little upset with the full art lands. I liked that that was a Zendikar thing: it fit the theme of the plane well and made it unique.

I'll be interested in how this story goes. Liliana doesn't like him, but he does owe Bolas and I'm not sure the rest of the Gatewatch knows about their connection.

Also, while I like the linearity of the story, I'm getting tired of the same planeswalkers reused over and over. We had a few new ones introduced, but it seems like they're doing a lot of one and dones to pad the old favorites (Narset, Tamiyo, Arlinn, Devin Baan, Sareeli). Let's have a focus on some of the newer planeswalkers adjusting to their new powers.

I feel you there Ladof! Even if it does devalue Zendikar full-art lands, it does make them more accessible and for that, I'm glad, especially for newer players.
It's nice to have a bit of uniqueness, but you know Wizards, if smell an opportunity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Opportunity) to make money they will exploit it, fully.

Additionally, I know what you mean about the planeswalkers, but they are like Wizard's mascots, like the iconic characters of the MTG universe, and Jace is the number one, poster boy. I'm guessing the reason why they don't introduce new planeswalkers is due to the writers having trouble incorporating them into the story/universe. Having so many planeswalkers requires multiple plot points open simultaneously.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 01, 2017, 12:16:56 am
*Shakes Fist* Mnemosyne!!!!!!!!   ;D


Seriously though, when I first saw the new Full Art lands I was a little upset that they all had Bolas Horn's in each one.  Then I started to think about it and I felt like it really drove home how much power he has throughout the plane.  Where ever these people look they can see his influence, they can't even appreciate the sky without seeing his image.  So while I think it was very thematic in Zendikar to have Full Art Lands, I also think they kind of needed them here to tell us how influential Bolas is without telling us :)

I am stoked about the new Gideon and not surprised at all since Ally of Zendikar wasn't suppose to be Standard in Kaladesh.  Ally of Zendikar is a beast but I am hoping, like you Mnemosyne, this new version will bring something new to the table. Liliana will probably face another one of her Demons on this plane, if thats true then it will represent a big change in her character, and will need a new card.  Maybe this one will make bigger waves in Modern.

Mwahaha!  ;D ;D ;D

Well, he apparently created the plane, before the mending. Exactly! I want something else from Gideon! Something that isn't so overwhelming in Standard, but playable in most formats!

That demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) will definitely be there! How powerful it is, I have no idea, supposedly he is more powerful than Griselbrand (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Griselbrand) the one she killed in Innistrad.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 01, 2017, 04:58:11 am
Mwahaha!  ;D ;D ;D

Well, he apparently created the plane, before the mending. Exactly! I want something else from Gideon! Something that isn't so overwhelming in Standard, but playable in most formats!

That demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) will definitely be there! How powerful it is, I have no idea, supposedly he is more powerful than Griselbrand (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Griselbrand) the one she killed in Innistrad.

What could they do with Gideon they haven't done?  + Small Number: Creature gains indestructible and vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance), -X: destroy a creature with cmc=X, -Big Number: gain emblem with "When you take damage prevent all but 1 of that damage" sounds good to me :)

Maybe Liliana with have to rely on her favorite old artifact, *Cough*The Chain Veil (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=The+Chain+Veil)*Couch* and we will see a Standard printing of.... Liliana of the Veil (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Liliana+of+the+Veil)!!!  lol sometimes I kill myself  ;D
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: G. Moto on March 01, 2017, 06:22:02 am
       Perhaps they'll touch back on old plot points. Remember how in the story of Eldritch Moon where everyone's minds were unraveling a bit and their darkest fears were being revealed? Maybe Gideon's biggest fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) is his enjoyment of danger, as if he RELISHES the chance to be destructive. The fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) that he may enjoy letting go of his morality an giving into to more destructive tendencies. Think Chandra but in a White planeswalker form. Maybe he'll have an effect like "+x: Sacrifice X amount of creatures, Gideon gains +X/+X and indestructible until the end of your opponent's next turn". That'd be pretty sick and could actually give a better overlay for people who may have always wanted to play him in a cohesive W/B kind of deck.

       As for Liliana it may be more defensive since she is on someone else's planet hunting a demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) that may have actually teamed up with bolas. That could be a little problematic for her. But...if you look closely at the background of her picture, you can see zombies rising which may be an indicator as to what one of her abilities may entail as far as her card effect goes. Maybe something like "+2: target player loses two life and discards a card. If the discarded card was a creature summon one 2/2 zombie token to your side of the field". That would be sort of like Ob Nixilis but instead of out rightly hurting yourself it can be used in a control like manner. Just throwing some ideas out there.

       The art styles for the lands are very nice, despite the horns. Each one really entails how well this set is going into the Egyptianess of the set and just the way they were designed, shaded and colored really gives it an authentic feel to the set. I'm eager to see what new creatures this set holds. I foresee (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Foresee) Zombie hordes in the future (or maybe some new mechanic like "Minion" or "MASTERING"). Those Egyptians were big on their servants, even if they are undead.

   Also @ Jabilac and @Mnemosyne, it's good to be back, feel free to PM whenever you wish.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 01, 2017, 09:48:09 pm
       Perhaps they'll touch back on old plot points. Remember how in the story of Eldritch Moon where everyone's minds were unraveling a bit and their darkest fears were being revealed? Maybe Gideon's biggest fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) is his enjoyment of danger, as if he RELISHES the chance to be destructive. The fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) that he may enjoy letting go of his morality an giving into to more destructive tendencies. Think Chandra but in a White planeswalker form. Maybe he'll have an effect like "+x: Sacrifice X amount of creatures, Gideon gains +X/+X and indestructible until the end of your opponent's next turn". That'd be pretty sick and could actually give a better overlay for people who may have always wanted to play him in a cohesive W/B kind of deck.

       As for Liliana it may be more defensive since she is on someone else's planet hunting a demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) that may have actually teamed up with bolas. That could be a little problematic for her. But...if you look closely at the background of her picture, you can see zombies rising which may be an indicator as to what one of her abilities may entail as far as her card effect goes. Maybe something like "+2: target player loses two life and discards a card. If the discarded card was a creature summon one 2/2 zombie token to your side of the field". That would be sort of like Ob Nixilis but instead of out rightly hurting yourself it can be used in a control like manner. Just throwing some ideas out there.

       The art styles for the lands are very nice, despite the horns. Each one really entails how well this set is going into the Egyptianess of the set and just the way they were designed, shaded and colored really gives it an authentic feel to the set. I'm eager to see what new creatures this set holds. I foresee (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Foresee) Zombie hordes in the future (or maybe some new mechanic like "Minion" or "MASTERING"). Those Egyptians were big on their servants, even if they are undead.

   Also @ Jabilac and @Mnemosyne, it's good to be back, feel free to PM whenever you wish.

Nice to have you back G. Moto.. Its been weird not having our Friendly Neighborhood Vampire running around :)

I had to go back and re-read that section of The Promised End (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/promised-end-2016-07-27).  I didn't even think they might actually build off of that story, of that specific scene.  I really like that idea :) and it would be a curve ball for most fans.

Liliana has thrown caution to the wind in the past when in pursuit of one of her demons.  She even has relationship with Bolas, she worked for him at one time and he was the one that originally told her which demons could restore (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Restore) a portion of her lost power.  Bolas would know that Razaketh is be one of Liliana's demons and might even have sent her to Razaketh because of his own connection with him.  It will be an interesting piece to Liliana's story... We may even find out the true identity of The Raven Man.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 04, 2017, 04:40:17 pm
       Perhaps they'll touch back on old plot points. Remember how in the story of Eldritch Moon where everyone's minds were unraveling a bit and their darkest fears were being revealed? Maybe Gideon's biggest fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) is his enjoyment of danger, as if he RELISHES the chance to be destructive. The fear (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fear) that he may enjoy letting go of his morality an giving into to more destructive tendencies. Think Chandra but in a White planeswalker form. Maybe he'll have an effect like "+x: Sacrifice X amount of creatures, Gideon gains +X/+X and indestructible until the end of your opponent's next turn". That'd be pretty sick and could actually give a better overlay for people who may have always wanted to play him in a cohesive W/B kind of deck.

       As for Liliana it may be more defensive since she is on someone else's planet hunting a demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) that may have actually teamed up with bolas. That could be a little problematic for her. But...if you look closely at the background of her picture, you can see zombies rising which may be an indicator as to what one of her abilities may entail as far as her card effect goes. Maybe something like "+2: target player loses two life and discards a card. If the discarded card was a creature summon one 2/2 zombie token to your side of the field". That would be sort of like Ob Nixilis but instead of out rightly hurting yourself it can be used in a control like manner. Just throwing some ideas out there.

       The art styles for the lands are very nice, despite the horns. Each one really entails how well this set is going into the Egyptianess of the set and just the way they were designed, shaded and colored really gives it an authentic feel to the set. I'm eager to see what new creatures this set holds. I foresee (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Foresee) Zombie hordes in the future (or maybe some new mechanic like "Minion" or "MASTERING"). Those Egyptians were big on their servants, even if they are undead.

   Also @ Jabilac and @Mnemosyne, it's good to be back, feel free to PM whenever you wish.

I'll be sure to PM you G.Moto just got to find some time, haha. Good to have you back in action, so to speak.

Liliana was planning to use the Gatewatch to defeat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Defeat) her demons, but she is indentured to Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas). No doubt she thinks he can be killed like her demons in order to prevent being beholden to anyone. She underestimates him, but not as much as the rest of them, surprisingly including Jace.

I think Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) will force Liliana to obey him, either by revealing their plans to him or by indirectly betraying the Gatewatch. Using the demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) on his plane as leverage of sorts, shielding him from them, unless she co-operates.

Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) could, as you mentioned, G.Moto, control Gideon by using his mental domination, to expose his fears and emotions to cause him to betray the Gatewatch. (He is a master at manipulation after all)

Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) has played the Gatewatch like chess pieces, the entire time since Ravnica, even instigating the release (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Release) of the Eldrazi on Zendikar by luring Chandra there.

Jabilac, I want to know who the Raven man is as well, it is written like we should know who it is. (He's from Dominaria) I've heard people say it could be Urza (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Urza), but I highly doubt that. I think it could very well be Yawgmoth, since he was presumed dead (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dead), his corpse is now tainting Urborg (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Urborg), perhaps a portion of him has seeped into Liliana's consciousness, thus allowing him to live on through her. (He was known as Thran's healer, the original, heretical healer, giving Liliana the recipe for her brother's reanimation and triggering her planeswalker spark is more than feasible.)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 04, 2017, 04:55:08 pm

What could they do with Gideon they haven't done?  + Small Number: Creature gains indestructible and vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance), -X: destroy a creature with cmc=X, -Big Number: gain emblem with "When you take damage prevent all but 1 of that damage" sounds good to me :)

Maybe Liliana with have to rely on her favorite old artifact, *Cough*The Chain Veil (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=The+Chain+Veil)*Couch* and we will see a Standard printing of.... Liliana of the Veil (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Liliana+of+the+Veil)!!!  lol sometimes I kill myself  ;D

You make Liliana sound like a dominatrix. MTG's version of 50 shades of Necrophilia. Using her chain veil and whip, on Jace, wearing his gimp outfit and hood.  :P :P :P

I hope that Gideon has something other than that, perhaps: +2; Until end of turn all creatures gain indestructible. -X; Gideon becomes an X/X Legendary Soldier (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soldier) Creature with Indestructible, where X = loyalty spent this way. +0; Look at the top 3 cards of your library, put a creature from amongst them with a converted mana cost 3 or less from them onto the battlefield the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 04, 2017, 05:06:14 pm
Just some news I found out whilst browsing, these are the 5 trials of Amonkhet!

Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 05, 2017, 02:07:49 am
Liliana was planning to use the Gatewatch to defeat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Defeat) her demons, but she is indentured to Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas). No doubt she thinks he can be killed like her demons in order to prevent being beholden to anyone. She underestimates him, but not as much as the rest of them, surprisingly including Jace.

I think Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) will force Liliana to obey him, either by revealing their plans to him or by indirectly betraying the Gatewatch. Using the demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) on his plane as leverage of sorts, shielding him from them, unless she co-operates.

Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) could, as you mentioned, G.Moto, control Gideon by using his mental domination, to expose his fears and emotions to cause him to betray the Gatewatch. (He is a master at manipulation after all)

Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) has played the Gatewatch like chess pieces, the entire time since Ravnica, even instigating the release (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Release) of the Eldrazi on Zendikar by luring Chandra there.

Jabilac, I want to know who the Raven man is as well, it is written like we should know who it is. (He's from Dominaria) I've heard people say it could be Urza (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Urza), but I highly doubt that. I think it could very well be Yawgmoth, since he was presumed dead (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dead), his corpse is now tainting Urborg (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Urborg), perhaps a portion of him has seeped into Liliana's consciousness, thus allowing him to live on through her. (He was known as Thran's healer, the original, heretical healer, giving Liliana the recipe for her brother's reanimation and triggering her planeswalker spark is more than feasible.)

It is interesting to consider Yawgmoth as a possible candidate for The Raven Man.  I am not a major MTG story follower but I did some reading on Yawgmoth and he is noted as one of the most well known villains in the MTG universe.  I wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) how The Mending effected Magic's history and specifically Yawgmoth's demise.

I do believe Bolas will manipulate Liliana into a betrayal (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Betrayal) of the Gatewatch, basically the same as you've said.  Maybe this time Liliana will be forced to uphold the pact she made with the Demons.  The question is what kind of defeat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Defeat) will the Gatewatch experience?  A break in the oaths?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 05, 2017, 06:08:25 pm
I was surfin the web (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Web) and I ran across this picture

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/thumbnails/161/588/241/115/636231929944384264.jpg)

Brazil versions of Planeswalker decks cards.  Its very hard to read but here is a translation of the text.

Gideon, Martial Paragon 4W
+2: Untap all creatures you control, those creatures get +1/+1 until end of turn.

Liliana, Death's Manipulator 5BB
+2: Put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature.

If these are accurate pictures then we can see -1/-1 counters might be making a comeback to Standard... Does this mean Wither as well?

I also found several more pictures from here. (http://news.toyark.com/2017/02/18/toy-fair-2017-magic-gathering-amonkhet-reveal-242701)

(http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/02/Toy-Fair-2017-Magic-The-Gathering-Amonkhet-5.jpg)

Gives is a lot of info for the Intro Planeswalkers.  You can see that Gideon has a + Ability, a 0 Ability, and a - Ability while Liliana has a + Ability and two - Abilities.  These are just the Intro Planeswalkers but still interesting to see.

Last pic

(http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2017/02/DSC03633.jpg)

That spindown counter is freaking awesome!  Sorry about the pic size.. I usually find smaller pics
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: G. Moto on March 07, 2017, 06:55:09 am
  Nice yo know you guys are doing your research (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Research). What do you guys think about possible creatures and deck builds? With the whole Egyptian theme we might get some interesting beast or human (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Human) soldiers. Maybe some good zombie creatures.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on March 07, 2017, 01:23:53 pm
I can almost guarantee that sphinx will make an appearance here, which might trigger Jace. I'm going to guess Tezzeret might have some sway here, too, so probably more artifacts.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 07, 2017, 05:04:14 pm
Its gonna be an interesting plane to say the least.  I am guessing that we will see some Mummies which are just fancy Zombies, right  :P  I am really interested in how they are going to represent the God cards.  I am hoping they use a different mechanic then with the Theros Gods.  Also are the Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial)'s going to be represented like the Quest cards? (Quest for the Holy Relic (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quest+for+the+Holy+Relic), Quest for the Gravelord (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quest+for+the+Gravelord), ect)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: G. Moto on March 07, 2017, 10:25:43 pm
Looking back at Egyptians maybe they will have their own summoning triggers. For example; Sobek (the crocodile looking god) could be sacrifice X amount of creatures, Sobek enters the battlefield with X+1/+1 counters equal to the total power of the sacrificed creatures. During your upkeep, distribute  a single +1/+1 counter to as many creatures that you choose. It would be good in a B/G sac deck or a B/R aggro kill everything style of play. Also 3 color gods would be interesting to see. The Main 5 could be 3 color (just like Alara) and then there could be the 10 minor gods (of course Ravnica Colors). Maybe they'd be like advisers or leaders among the chosen. With Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) involved there are a lot of possibilities when it comes to multiple colors in this block.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on March 13, 2017, 05:02:50 pm
Its gonna be an interesting plane to say the least.  I am guessing that we will see some Mummies which are just fancy Zombies, right  :P  I am really interested in how they are going to represent the God cards.  I am hoping they use a different mechanic then with the Theros Gods.  Also are the Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial)'s going to be represented like the Quest cards? (Quest for the Holy Relic (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quest+for+the+Holy+Relic), Quest for the Gravelord (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Quest+for+the+Gravelord), ect)

I've been thinking about the new Gods as well, and wondering if they'd do something similar to the Theros Gods. I like the idea of being permanents that provide a buff, that turn into creatures under certain conditions. I could see them being like G.Moto suggested, and requiring additional cost to cast, but I'm thinking something like this:

Sobek, God of Death 3B
Legendary Land Creature -  Swamp (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Swamp) God
Indescructible, Hexproof
Sobek, God of Death isn't a creature unless you control at least 3 other black creatures
When Sobek, God of Death Attacks, Each opponent  sacrifices 3 creatures.
When Sobek, God of Death deals combat damage to a player, sacrifice 3 creatures.
3B: put a 1/1 black cleric creature token into play
8/8

I think this is pretty balanced, as when he isn't active, he's essentially a mana rock that can spit out dudes to bring him to life.
The other color gods could be similar, but maybe White requires you to have a certain amount of life, green just takes a lot of mana, blue needs you to have a certain number of cards in hand, and red must attack alongside a number of other creatures. Could be a really cool set of Gods, and I can't wait to see what R&D comes up with.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on March 14, 2017, 01:18:55 am
The people of this plane want to do and finish the trials. By doing and completing all 5 trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) will they become an ultimate.
Ultimate warrior? or Ultimate to Bolis? So guessing here, a 1/1 on the field completes a trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial). Is becoming bigger, indestructable, give you card draw? What do the trials give? If by chance the 1/1 completes all trials and Bolis is around what type of features is this 1/1 gonna have apon completion? Will there allready be creatures whom have completed all 5 trials? What happens when one doesn't complete a trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) ? What plans does Bolis have for those who complete the trials? What reign does Bolis have on the gods? they are gods.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: G. Moto on March 14, 2017, 06:17:07 am
   But if Bolas created the plane then doesn't he already have supreme control over those god's? I mean let's be real here: you have an extremely old, cunning (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cunning) and dangerous (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dangerous) being who wants to reach his old level of god like power. Wouldn't it make sense for him to raise up an army of similar individuals such as himself in order to
(a steal THEIR power for himself in a similar method when he stole someone else's planeswalker spark,
(b manipulate those humans or planeswalkers that complete the trials in order to manipulate them as part of his legion
(c use the trials as a lure (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lure) in order to bring other walkers to the world in a similar manner as Zendikar is known for its mana or
(d Bolas could be working with the demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) in order to use all of the energy from the participants or offerings in order to convert their stolen energy or life force into himself.
      What this being has in store could be big for everyone, after all he does have connections across the multi-verse.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 19, 2017, 03:48:00 pm
(https://cards.deckstats.net/karten/d/dusk.jpg?m=1489904575)

Our first real spoiler for Amonkhet!  This tell us quite a bit about how Amonkhet will function.  We are going to have a new Aftermath ability that will only work in graveyards.  I also like how they decided to put the actual spell facing the correct way for us so we don't give away information by either cocking our heads sideways or turning our cards sideways to read them... I'm looking at you Fuse cards :)

We are also looking at a 4cmc board wipe in standard... When was the last time that happened?  As far as I can remember they have been printing 5cmc board wipes.  Interesting.  Hopefully they will actually print a new way to mess with people's graveyards.  Break up Delirium and these new aftermath effects.

So does this give anyone some new ideas of things we might see?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on March 19, 2017, 04:15:33 pm
(https://cards.deckstats.net/karten/d/dusk.jpg?m=1489904575)

Our first real spoiler for Amonkhet!  This tell us quite a bit about how Amonkhet will function.  We are going to have a new Aftermath ability that will only work in graveyards.  I also like how they decided to put the actual spell facing the correct way for us so we don't give away information by either cocking our heads sideways or turning our cards sideways to read them... I'm looking at you Fuse cards :)

We are also looking at a 4cmc board wipe in standard... When was the last time that happened?  As far as I can remember they have been printing 5cmc board wipes.  Interesting.  Hopefully they will actually print a new way to mess with people's graveyards.  Break up Delirium and these new aftermath effects.

So does this give anyone some new ideas of things we might see?

LOL right here Yahenni's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Yahenni%27s+Expertise) cost 4 :) Not to mention Languish (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Languish) which was popular. Then we have Incendiary Sabotage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Incendiary+Sabotage) as well, didn't want to get the ones all in black :)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 19, 2017, 04:27:36 pm
(https://cards.deckstats.net/karten/d/dusk.jpg?m=1489904575)

Our first real spoiler for Amonkhet!  This tell us quite a bit about how Amonkhet will function.  We are going to have a new Aftermath ability that will only work in graveyards.  I also like how they decided to put the actual spell facing the correct way for us so we don't give away information by either cocking our heads sideways or turning our cards sideways to read them... I'm looking at you Fuse cards :)

We are also looking at a 4cmc board wipe in standard... When was the last time that happened?  As far as I can remember they have been printing 5cmc board wipes.  Interesting.  Hopefully they will actually print a new way to mess with people's graveyards.  Break up Delirium and these new aftermath effects.

So does this give anyone some new ideas of things we might see?

LOL right here Yahenni's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Yahenni%27s+Expertise) cost 4 :) Not to mention Languish (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Languish) which was popular. Then we have Incendiary Sabotage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Incendiary+Sabotage) as well, didn't want to get the ones all in black :)

Your right Robort. I guess I was thinking of the destroy effects instead of the damage based or -x/-x based sweepers but I was wrong about it obviously.  Nothing about the rest of my post though?  Doesn't surprise me really.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on March 19, 2017, 04:47:59 pm
Ummm ok, do I think aftermath is going to be good? dunno because 1 card isn't much to go on. To cast it from a graveyard is ok. Not exactly the same but flashback comes to mind just a little twist on the wording and an entirely different spell comes out of the graveyard. Rebound (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Rebound) also comes to mind. I also don't care much for sorcery speed, a sorcery always gives my opponent a chance to ruin plans. I also don't like bringing stuff back to my hands, while this card does a good job of it. I now have to use mana resources to recast those cards. Mana is the 2nd most important thing next to life. So paying 9 for a board wipe and bringing other cards to my hand. Those have to be some powerful creatures for me to play afterwards.

So on that, I will wait to see what else comes along before passing that opinion based apon 1 card.
I have already commented, took a stab about the creatures with the trials.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: TheWakaEmu117 on March 20, 2017, 12:08:40 am
So seeing this first spoiler gives me hopes for some cool stuff in standard but it also makes me think that this sets power level might be really high. If we look at the past couple of years standard has been struggling with deck diversity. If you guys look at the banning of Emrakul, Reflector Mage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Reflector+Mage) and Copter, those actually lower the deck diversity and how standard is now dominated by Saheeli cat combo and mardu vehicles. Maybe this set will shake the format up and give us some powerful cards. I am think a 4 mana board wipe shows that they be printing some slightly more powerful cards and abilities.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on March 20, 2017, 12:41:48 am
My only thing is that if they're going to give us graveyard casting, they need to give us graveyard hate, too. Otherwise, you're just going to have things that aren't very interactive again. Card looks like it could be solid; not a fan of split cards like that, though. They give me a headache.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 20, 2017, 04:32:56 pm
Yeah, this new mechanic is going to be interesting.  I am really hoping for Graveyard hate in this set but I was hoping for Energy hate cards from last set and was surprised when they didn't drop.  I think this opens up more design space for magic cards.  Instead of Flashback (just repeating the same spell) we can not only have different effects from our graveyard but also allows for different speed spells.  Imagine a Sorcery and then an Aftermath Instant.  I doubt we will see this design on anything other then Sorcery/Instants because of how muddled the card actually looks.  It does show that WotC is not afraid to change the status quo and at least attempt to do new things. 

Quote from: TheWakaEmu117
So seeing this first spoiler gives me hopes for some cool stuff in standard but it also makes me think that this sets power level might be really high. If we look at the past couple of years standard has been struggling with deck diversity. If you guys look at the banning of Emrakul, Reflector Mage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Reflector+Mage) and Copter, those actually lower the deck diversity and how standard is now dominated by Saheeli cat combo and mardu vehicles. Maybe this set will shake the format up and give us some powerful cards. I am think a 4 mana board wipe shows that they be printing some slightly more powerful cards and abilities.

I am not a Standard player and I really only play in Pre-Release events but I am always on the lookout for new Modern playable cards and I like when a few new cards shake up Modern.  I was excited about Aetherworks Marvel (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Aetherworks+Marvel), Grim Flayer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Grim+Flayer), Thing in the Ice (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Thing+in+the+Ice) (didn't make as many waves as I was hoping), Paradox Engine (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Paradox+Engine), and Smuggler's Copter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Smuggler%27s+Copter) because I thought they would shake up Modern.  Standard does need something to break the stalemate that is the top 2 decks.  I am still surprised they banned Reflector Mage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Reflector+Mage) but didn't ban Felidar Guardian (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Felidar+Guardian).
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 21, 2017, 08:36:55 pm

Our first real spoiler for Amonkhet!  This tell us quite a bit about how Amonkhet will function.  We are going to have a new Aftermath ability that will only work in graveyards.  I also like how they decided to put the actual spell facing the correct way for us so we don't give away information by either cocking our heads sideways or turning our cards sideways to read them... I'm looking at you Fuse cards :)

We are also looking at a 4cmc board wipe in standard... When was the last time that happened?  As far as I can remember they have been printing 5cmc board wipes.  Interesting.  Hopefully they will actually print a new way to mess with people's graveyards.  Break up Delirium and these new aftermath effects.

So does this give anyone some new ideas of things we might see?

Stealing my thunder Jabilac with your super fast spoilerizing  :P

The aftermath, activated ability looks like it ties in with Amonkhet's expansion 'Hour of Devastation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Devastation)' l have a feeling it won't be the sole wrath effect. (Maybe another reprint of Damnation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Damnation), to coincide with Modern Masters?)

I think they didn't want all the Standard wrath effects to be ubiquitous, which is why they all differ slightly. Yahenni's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Yahenni%27s+Expertise), Incendiary Sabotage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Incendiary+Sabotage), Radiant Flames (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Radiant+Flames), Kozilek's Return (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kozilek%27s+Return), Languish (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Languish), Fumigate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fumigate) and Planar Outburst (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Planar+Outburst). Yahenni's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Yahenni%27s+Expertise) works well with Dusk (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dusk) because we have a contrast of effects that do what each other would not individually. It's an interesting way of trying to shift the theme to Orzhov B/W decks.

Aftermath looks like a split card with flashback, but you 'don't' have to cast the aftermath card, and you don't get to replay the initial ability. It is something that I like about it. This card is interesting, whilst not as powerful as Wrath of God (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wrath+of+God) because it doesn't destroy creatures with the power 2 or less. It hints to the focus on low power creatures in the set. The aftermath ability ties into this, allowing you to return all your lower cost creatures to your hand.

I have a lot of theories based on what people have said. There will be a sphinx. Alhammarret? Maybe? It is interesting to consider that Bolas could use the Gatewatch's past foes to create some psychological damage. Jace's old mentor, Liliana's Demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) and Gideon and Erebos?

As to the trials, perhaps Nicol Bolas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) is looking to forge the perfect warrior, in an attempt to replace his former champion Umezawa that eventually destroyed his physical form before the mending. Rulers need their enforcers, just another piece on the chess board.

I agree with the people that have suggested about the recent Standard bannings restricting the format. @Robot has mentioned previously that Wizards don't research (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Research) their cards, properly, before they are released. The cards are developed thematically, they are not tailored for competitive play.
Pro's are expert at exploiting the abilities of various cards in the format, they'll circumvent bans, to produce a format stifling deck, that lacks creativity, artificially raising card prices because they are built solely to win.

Pro players should work with the research (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Research) and development (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Development) team to stop this, but they probably won't, ever. This is because having a deck that is singularly more powerful that all others, makes it easier for them to win, and winning means money.

Either way, I know how you guys feel about Standard, Modern, etc.

Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 27, 2017, 02:31:45 pm
Info hot off the press! Promo cards released!

Mechanics from sample releases include a return to cycling, and (exert) which I've gathered you can activate during your combat phase.
-1/-1 counters are making a comeback, this, however, is no indication that wither/infect is returning, as I have not seen this effect target players.

Glorybringer
(Dragon Creature Red)
(3RR)R
(4/4)
Flying, haste
You may exert Glorybringer as it attacks. When you do, it deals 4 damage to target non-dragon creature an opponent controls.


Archfiend of Ifnir
(Demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) Creature Black)
(3BB)R
(5/4)
Flying
Cycling - (2)
Whenever you cycle or discard another card, put a -1/-1 counter on each creature your opponents control.

Note: I really think this card has insane potential! With Black/Red madness and delirium I can envisage it in a standard deck. (Not as great as Archangel Avacyn (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Archangel+Avacyn) but it definitely is a cheaper alternative to Demon of Dark Schemes (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon+of+Dark+Schemes))

Oracle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oracle)'s Vault
(Colourless Artefact)
(4)R

2{t}- Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) the top card of your library. Until the end of turn, you may play that card. Put a brick counter on Oracle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oracle)'s Vault.
{t}- Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) the top card of your library. Until the end of turn, you may play that card (without paying its mana cost) activate this only if you have 3 or more brick counters on Oracle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oracle)'s Vault.

Note: This card is insane, albeit 4 mana and turn 7, it acts like Aetherworks Marvel (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Aetherworks+Marvel), with the negative that you cannot choose the card you cast, and you won't be able to use its ability for three turns. However, the counters even remain, which means that every turn you can cast a card with it for free! (Contingency Plan (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Contingency+Plan)/Glimmer of Genius (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glimmer+of+Genius) - Ulamog) Not to mention it is not legendary, = multiple!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 27, 2017, 04:47:46 pm
Here's some pic of the cards.. Kinda dark but that's all I could find this morning. Edit: Now they look great :)

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/en_k0mok73dwN.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/en_as8va5B9cw.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_rgXqwthzn3.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/images/daily/en_jG6CH9Lx83.png)

-1/-1 counters on the return!  Exciting for those Constrictor Players :)

Exert seems like an interesting mechanic.  Getting a free "activated ability" as something attacks can be very powerful especially if they continue to focus on dealing damage to creatures.  It does make me wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) how it will work though, Will these creatures still deal their normal damage or will that damage be prevented for the effect?

I'm with you Mnemosyne, Archfiend of Ifnir has some serious potential.  Shrink (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shrink) your opponents board while casting Madness cards seems like a win win to me :)

Edit : Amonkhet (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/so-much-amonkhet-news-2017-03-27) info from Wizards.  Contains information on Embalm and Exert.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on March 27, 2017, 06:20:56 pm
Thanks for posting the article link Jabilac. This is the part that most caught my eye
"WELCOME DECKS
Like previous Welcome Deck incarnations before them, the Amonkhet Welcome Decks come in five versions, one for each color. Each deck is 30 cards and focuses on simple (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Simple) gameplay (and all cards are Standard-legal for as long as Amonkhet is)."

They then proceed to list all cards in each of the 5 mono colored welcome decks, including some new Amonkhet cards!

The article is definitely worth a read (see Jabilac's post above), but here's the TL;DR overview:

1. Packs will come with "Punch cards" to help keep track of counters, and include +1/+1 , -1/-1 , Brick, Embalmed, and Exerted.

2. Promo's have been release (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Release) (see above)

3. New Mechanics! (they don't give offical oracle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oracle) text so i'll summarize the description)
3a. Embalm: a creature with embalm can activate this ability only from their graveyard and only as a sorcery. Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) the card with embalm and put a token into a play that's a copy of the embalmed creature, expect it's a white zombie instead of previous creature types and has no converted mana cost
3b. Exert: When a creature with exert attacks, you can choose whether or not to exert it. If a creature is exerted, it provides additional effects ( see Glorybringer), but does not untap during your next untap step (I like the flavor of this, it pushed itself and now needs to rest). 
3d. All creatures with Embalm will have their own token

4. Welcome decks for new players the week before release (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Release). As a way to get new players interested, there will be a welcome event the week before release (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Release), where new players will be given a 30 card mono-colored deck (and the magic playing friend who brought them will get a promo card) to learn to play the game. The entire lists are spoiled in the article, but some notable inclusions (WHICH WILL BE STANDARD LEGAL AS LONG AS AMONKHET IS): Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), Gravedigger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gravedigger), Serra Angel (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Serra+Angel), Nightmare (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nightmare), Sengir Vampire (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sengir+Vampire), Shivan Dragon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shivan+Dragon), and Garruk's Horde (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Garruk%27s+Horde).
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on March 27, 2017, 10:57:37 pm
I wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) if dramatic reversal (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dramatic+Reversal) will make an appearance in a blue exert deck
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on March 27, 2017, 11:08:01 pm
I can actually see Oracle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oracle)'s Vault going faster than turn 7 in a green blue modern deck, especially if paired with Proliferate effects. Green could potentially have it hit the field turn 3 with little difficulty, and with blue untap effects... A Derevi, Empyrial Tactician (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Derevi%2C+Empyrial+Tactician) could make it dance in a Commander format.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: cld.mizzi on March 28, 2017, 09:50:04 am
Archfiend of Ifnir + Fateful Showdown (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fateful+Showdown) = LOL.

Basically a wrath with some dmg to opponent.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Knabber on March 28, 2017, 10:11:45 am
Okay, first things first: The new split cards look terrible. I mean, we've had some split cards before, they were okay. What is this abomination (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Abomination) of a 90 degree turn of a card?!

Furthermore: The new Embalm ability exiles the original creature from a graveyard and gives you a token with the same name/abilities/stats etc. but is a Zombie in addition to its other types. Embalm is going to be "mainly a white" activated ability.

White. Zombies. 

By the way, Trueheart Duelist will be blocking the shit out of your opponent.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on March 29, 2017, 12:57:03 am
So there have been 5 Masterpiece cards spoiled. I can't say as I like the look. It's hard to read and the colors are kinda gross.

I don't know how to put up pictures, so here's a link.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/spoilers/181-amonkhet-invocations
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Nickadimoose on March 29, 2017, 02:12:21 pm
Ew. You can kind of see what they were trying to do, but it just came out so muddled.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 29, 2017, 02:37:37 pm
Hmm, I would have préfèred if they kept masterpieces limited to the zendikar block. But, alas... These, like the artefact masterpieces,  aren't good for limited/sealed. Just one of these OP cards ruin the game. I played against someone who ultimately won with wurmcoil engine (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wurmcoil+Engine)... It was just not fun. Another wizards money making venture. But rant over, haha. I can see the Egyptian them, I can't say I like the style, but the concept is nice.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on March 29, 2017, 03:08:12 pm
Just have to wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) of course for starters :)

3b. Exert: When a creature with exert attacks, you can choose whether or not to exert it. If a creature is exerted, it provides additional effects ( see Glorybringer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glorybringer)), but does not untap during your next untap step

Is when having extert and say that creature has vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance). Which one superceeds the other? Does the creature tap or is it untap. I know vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance) doesn't make the creature tap but extort keeps the creature tapped. A creature with vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance) and extert will be extremely difficult to deal with especially since it isn't going to be tapped. It will be really powerful in limited/draft/pre-release if there is somehow vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance) involved with extert. LOL I think I answered my own question
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: TZx on March 29, 2017, 03:17:27 pm
This set, and The Kaladesh Block, have officially made me quit standard. Vehicles, and Mummification are not MTG :(
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Knabber on March 29, 2017, 03:50:14 pm
Too bad, i just got into standard with Kaladesh... Well, at least exert sounds like an ability that could come back in later expansions, but embalm just feels not really like mtg and could be stupidly strong. We have to wait, i'll guess. Btw, the revolt ability wasn't great fun either.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: TZx on March 29, 2017, 05:53:11 pm
@Knabber

I agree, and TBH, Embalm sounds dumb, and wrong, and people already have to learn enough keywords from core sets, that standard has been ruined by odd keywords such as Revolt, and Improvise.
:DD
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 29, 2017, 06:08:06 pm
I disagree about Embalm being dumb or not "feeling like mtg"... How doesn't it?  You are taking a creature that died and creating a Mummy out of it... If that isn't Magic what is?  Revolt is a great mechanic.  One of the better ones that has been created recently.  It works both in Standard, by not being overpowered, and works in Modern by being just powered enough.  Without new keywords, mechanics, and card types MTG would grow stale and boring.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 29, 2017, 06:21:01 pm
The Invocations are cool and all but I think Wizards missed out on a chance to do a Masterpiece series on Mummified Planeswalkers.  Could have even made it story related.  Bolas is creating his own versions of each Planeswalker by stealing the sparks from his Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) Champions and putting them into his Mummy Walkers.  Woulda been awesome :)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on March 29, 2017, 06:45:30 pm
Vigilence would stop the attack from tapping it.  It would be available your next turn to exert again unless an opponent could tap it
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on March 29, 2017, 07:26:55 pm
@Knabber

I agree, and TBH, Embalm sounds dumb, and wrong, and people already have to learn enough keywords from core sets, that standard has been ruined by odd keywords such as Revolt, and Improvise.
:DD

You made my day with the moving happy face. As for the content of your comment... piling on keywords definitely doesn't make things easy. Especially when you consider the majority of playable modern cards don't have any of the fancy non-core set keywords on them, and just state what they do (Snapcaster Mage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Snapcaster+Mage)[sort of since it gives flashback], Primeval Titan (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Primeval+Titan), Goblin Guide (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Guide), Tarmagoyf, Dark Confidant (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dark+Confidant) and so forth). There are exceptions in Fatal Push (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fatal+Push), Arcbound Ravager (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Arcbound+Ravager), and a few others, but for the most part, cards that just state what they do tend to have longer lasting impact on magic as a whole than fancy keywords from a single set.

THIS IS AWESOME!!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on March 29, 2017, 08:55:02 pm
Wizards said they lime a new keyword or two for each set. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but they're usually tuned to the set they're released in more than any other. That's why some cards get banned in modern so quickly (see Dig through Time (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dig+Through+Time) and Treasure Cruise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Treasure+Cruise)). Pretty much everyone knew fatal push (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fatal+Push) was going to be pretty common in Modern as soon as they a saw it; it was a dirt cheap way to kill tarmogoyf (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tarmogoyf) consistently, along with all kinds of other cheap threats. I wish they'd spend a bit longer looking at how things will interact amongst other sets, particularly within its standard lifetime. It's silly that things like Emrakul and Smuggler's Copter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Smuggler%27s+Copter) got standard banned; WotC should have easily seen that these things would get out of hand.

Anyway, on the Masterpieces, they've said that they're going to keep doing them as another way for newer players to have a chance at good, old cards (right. I've not seen one yet, despite buying several boxes worth of cards. I'm glad they're rare, but don't try that line.) These new ones, however, are just ugly. I know the look they were going for, but it just missed badly.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on March 30, 2017, 06:23:11 pm
Aven Mindcensor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Aven+Mindcensor) is being reprinted, apparently.

https://collected.company/2017/03/30/amonkhet-preview-card-top-ten-black-cards-modern-126/
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on March 31, 2017, 04:08:33 pm
These two:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/130/998/200/283/636264877197868552.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/130/997/200/283/636264874374253751.png)

I like the cat snake, haha. I think it would be more potent in Modern than Standard, as I haven't seen many counter decks, around.
Renewed Faith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Renewed+Faith) is an onslaught (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Onslaught) reprint? Seems appropriate that many of the cards in this set might be re-imagining of older cards.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on March 31, 2017, 06:07:38 pm
Yeah I was kinda surprised to see Prowling Serpopard (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Prowling+Serpopard).  Looks like a sideboard card for mono-green devotion for sure at least in my list :) Makes we wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) if we are going to get some more blue control options in Amonkhet.. Why drop a can't be countered creature unless you expect counters?

Renewed Faith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Renewed+Faith) is a decent life gain card.  Instant speed and Cycling really help make it better then life gain cards we've seen in the recent past.

We also got the new Dual Lands for this set.

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_nsXw6JpzGH.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_lRR892wXFr.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_O9Zye0bIYs.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_dJCfMS8DuP.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_cmJc89R9pt.png)

Wish they were 1cmc Cycling but not too shabby.  Takes the sting out of a top decked land in the late game and fixes on earlier turns (though always tapped really hurts)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on March 31, 2017, 10:39:28 pm
I think the new cycle lands are going to have a surpizingly large impact in both Standard and Modern. Havinf a way to avoid flooding late game in srandard is huge, but modern has Life From The Loam (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Life+from+the+Loam) and cards like Seismic Assault (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Seismic+Assault). Giving a jeskai or esper deck a way to orevent flooding in exchsnge for other cards is huge, not to mention synergy with Knight of the Reloquary. These are a control players dream and may give them the tools they need to be really competirive again
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on March 31, 2017, 11:51:23 pm
Not to mention blowing up opponents' creatures with the demon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Demon) they've already revealed...
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Philippe Saner on April 01, 2017, 01:07:07 am
I was hoping for cycling lands, but I'm still surprised by how good they made these.

Basic land types and a generic cost to cycle...good stuff.

I really like the art on Irrigated Farmland, too.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: CardAgain Sweater on April 01, 2017, 02:47:51 am
Yeah I was kinda surprised to see Prowling Serpopard (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Prowling+Serpopard).  Looks like a sideboard card for mono-green devotion for sure at least in my list :) Makes we wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) if we are going to get some more blue control options in Amonkhet.. Why drop a can't be countered creature unless you expect counters?

Renewed Faith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Renewed+Faith) is a decent life gain card.  Instant speed and Cycling really help make it better then life gain cards we've seen in the recent past.

We also got the new Dual Lands for this set.

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_nsXw6JpzGH.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_lRR892wXFr.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_O9Zye0bIYs.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_dJCfMS8DuP.png) (http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_cmJc89R9pt.png)

Wish they were 1cmc Cycling but not too shabby.  Takes the sting out of a top decked land in the late game and fixes on earlier turns (though always tapped really hurts)

This will be the first 'new set' to come out since I've started playing. I noticed that in Aether Revolt, cards were mana-cheaper and powerful, seeming to encourage aggressive play, hence that 'stupid' revolt mechanic that triggers when something you control dies. Mechanic fits set style. It may seem to simple (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Simple) to me with so little experience.

As far as Amonkhet set style, with that cat snake being a 4/3 with goodies costing 3, does anyone else feel that creatures will be quite powerful, moving away from quick little hits prevalent in Ather Revolt? What will 6 mana get you if you get uncounterable creature spells and a 4/3 for 3 mana?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Knabber on April 01, 2017, 09:32:46 am
I am really excited about those new lands. Okay, they're no tap- pain- or manlands, but cycling seems pretty useful. What really gets my attention is, that this new land cycle features double-basics. I am pretty sure we will see something like Wild Nacatl (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Wild+Nacatl) or Kird Ape (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Kird+Ape) in this set.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: HowlingLotus on April 02, 2017, 12:18:27 pm
Love the art on those lands 8) .

Nothing I hate more than drawing land for 2-3 turns when I already have more lands on the field then I 'need'. The more and more they show the higher the hype level for me. Really curious to see what they did on other cards revolving around cycle in the set that we haven't seen. 
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 03, 2017, 02:55:15 pm
First is Gideon in the planeswalker deck.. unreal because if this is the dumbed down version of the Gideon you can get in packs. The Gideon in the pack should be more powerful than this one..

Gideon, Martial Paragon
4W
Planeswalker - Gideon
[+2]: Untap creatures you control. They get +1/+1 until end of turn.

[+0]: Until end of turn, Gideon, Martial Paragon becomes a 5/5 human (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Human) Soldier (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soldier) with indestructible that's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn.

[-10]: Creatures you control get +2/+2 until end of turn. Tap all creatures your opponents control.

This Liliana just bites... Compared to Gideon in these planeswalker decks.. I just can't see using her at all.

Liliana, Death Wielder
5BB
Planeswalker - Liliana
[+2]: Put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature.

[-3]: Destroy target creature with a -1/-1 counter on it.

[-10]: Return all creature cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on April 03, 2017, 04:50:26 pm
That Gideon plus Inspired or Trample... That Liliana with Infect or Proliferate in Modern decks.  It depends on what support cards come with them.  Liliana would need decent creatures and creature destruction to counterbalance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Counterbalance) the Gideon deck... If Gideon had a sizeable army, ultimate would be game over.  Her secondary ability would be better than Gideon's secondary.  Would be interesting if they bring back The Chain Veil (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=The+Chain+Veil) or a slightly altered version of it since Liliana seems intent on using it.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 04, 2017, 03:06:22 pm
I don't have pictures but....

Hazoret the Fervent
3R
Legendary Creature - God
Indestructible, haste

Hazoret the Fervent can't attack or block unless you have one or fewer cards in hand.

2R, Discard a card: Hazoret deals 2 damage to each opponent.


Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) of Knowledge
3U
Enchantment
When Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) of Knowledge enters the battlefield, draw three cards, then discard a card.

When a Cartouche enters the battlefield under your control, return Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) of Knowledge to its owner's hand.

Nest of Scarabs
2B
Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more -1/-1 counters on a creature, create that many 1/1 black Insect creature tokens.

In Oketra's Name
1W
Instant
Zombies you control get +2/+1 until end of turn. Other creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.


Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 04, 2017, 03:17:15 pm
Open Heart
1B
Sorcery
Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose a nonlegendary, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.

Ahn-Crop Crasher
2R
Creature - Minotaur Warrior (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Minotaur+Warrior)
Haste

You may exert Ahn-Crop Crasher as it attacks. When you do, target creature can't block this turn. (An exerted creature won't untap during your next untap step.)

Cartouche of Solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Solidarity)
W
Enchantment - Aura Cartouche
Enchant creature you control

When Cartouche of Solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Solidarity) enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token with vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance).

Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has first strike.

Anointer Priest
1W
Creature - Human (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Human) Cleric
Whenever a creature token enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.

Embalm 3W (3W, Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie Human (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Human) Cleric with no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery.)

1/3

Everyones fun favorite card....

Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling)
1R
Instant
As an additional cost to cast Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), sacrifice a creature.

Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling) deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature's power to target creature or player.

Not saying you can't use your opponents creatures but this combo will be fun...
Electrostatic Pummeler (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Electrostatic+Pummeler) plus Larger Than Life (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Larger+Than+Life) plus using say 3 energy plus attacking and then Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling). So attack with 10 with trample and then deal 10 damage to the face.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 04, 2017, 03:19:45 pm
Another split card..

Destined // Lead
1B // 3G
Instant // Sorcery
Target creature gets +1/+0 and gains indestructible until end of turn.

Lead

Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) it.)

All creatures able to block target creature this turn do so.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on April 04, 2017, 04:53:30 pm
Can't say that I'm overly impressed with that god card, although with SOI still being in the set, a mono-red or RB madness vampire deck could make a big resurgence.

Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) looks pretty fun, though.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 04, 2017, 06:11:05 pm
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/80/200/283/636268856630543856.png)

[#Edit]
This card is going to be expensive, It has the potential to rival Inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek). (Explained below this post)
Due to the Legendary parameters, it is unlikely you'll run 4 copies of a legendary card in your deck, 3 at most.
I see this being abused in a black deck, the new Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind).

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/97/200/283/636268972219110870.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/95/200/283/636268969560761842.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/93/200/283/636268966688706953.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/92/200/283/636268966270750247.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/84/200/283/636268957806374613.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/47/200/283/636268104151710507.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/50/200/283/636268109391540110.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/89/200/283/636268962917745186.png)

These are the only new spoilers that have caught my attention.
Essence Scatter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Essence+Scatter) will be useful, unless you are using the Cat Snake, haha. I didn't know it was a reprint, seems like this set is using a lot of older cards.
Flameblade Adept (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flameblade+Adept) might not have haste but I still think it is fun in a madness deck.
Scribe of the Mindful could be useful, it is within Shock (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shock) range, and AEO spells, but if you could sacrifice it in response to get something tasty back!
Channeler's Initiate with something like Primal Druid (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Primal+Druid)/Heart of Kiran (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Heart+of+Kiran) = Free land/Crew
Onward/Victory split card is interesting... It doubles the power of a creature, one could make something of this. (6 mana in total for double strike) - Electrostatic Pummeler (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Electrostatic+Pummeler)/ Metalwork Colossus (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Metalwork+Colossus)?
Cartouche of Solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Solidarity) is CHEAP (1) for +1/+1 first strike and adds to the board state 1/1 vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance) warrior (wish khans/Fate cards were still legal in Standard)
Oketra's Monument is something that is a gift to mono-white weenie w/ tokens + Westvale Abbey (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Westvale+Abbey).
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on April 04, 2017, 06:21:49 pm
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/80/200/283/636268856630543856.png)

This card is going to be expensive, It's much better than Inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek). Due to the Legendary parameters, it is unlikely you'll run 4 copies of a legendary card in your deck, 3 at most. I see this being abused in a black deck, the new Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind).

Its definitively good, but in not even sure its better than Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind) since it doesn't exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile). That was one of the major appeals to Transgress, since its one of the only ways to perminately get rid of something (scrapheap (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scrapheap) jumps to mind).

I do think open heart will see play, but even in standard its nowhere near as good as inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek) would be. Turn 1 discard is pretty much exlusively better than T2, esspecially since there are so many other good T2 plays. This competes fot T2 with Winding Contrictor, Grim Flayer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Grim+Flayer), Heart of Kiraan, Sylvan Advocate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sylvan+Advocate), siphoner, and countless others. A turn 1 discard effect is what black really wants to keep aggro in check.

I do think it will see play, but if the major threats being run are the God Cards, ishkanah, Avacyn, and Heart of Kiraan, this may habe a hard time finding a home
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 04, 2017, 06:33:48 pm

Its definitively good, but in not even sure its better than Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind) since it doesn't exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile). That was one of the major appeals to Transgress, since its one of the only ways to perminately get rid of something (scrapheap (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scrapheap) jumps to mind).

I do think open heart will see play, but even in standard its nowhere near as good as inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek) would be. Turn 1 discard is pretty much exlusively better than T2, esspecially since there are so many other good T2 plays. This competes fot T2 with Winding Contrictor, Grim Flayer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Grim+Flayer), Heart of Kiraan, Sylvan Advocate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sylvan+Advocate), siphoner, and countless others. A turn 1 discard effect is what black really wants to keep aggro in check.

I do think it will see play, but if the major threats being run are the God Cards, ishkanah, Avacyn, and Heart of Kiraan, this may habe a hard time finding a home

(I'm gonna like your reply KouriNick because I need to explain a bit more!)

We'll see. Just to get you thinking, exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) is great, but it rarely will matter until your opponent can find a card to reoccur it from the graveyard. Atm, I only see Torrential Gearhulk (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Torrential+Gearhulk) and Nissa, Vital force (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nissa%2C+Vital+Force) being played competitively.
(That being said, I probably wouldn't playing this card against a delirum deck, things like Grapple with the Past (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Grapple+with+the+Past) and Liliana, the Last Hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Liliana%2C+the+Last+Hope) would be annoying.)

Also, something to consider; Standard Sets (Zendikar - Innistrad) will all rotate out after Hour of Devastation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Devastation) is released! So Delirium won't be a factor!

Okay, let's think about it, you play it turn 2, like Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind), however, unlike Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind), you can get rid of Sylvan Advocate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sylvan+Advocate), Winding Constrictor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Winding+Constrictor) or Grim Flayer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Grim+Flayer). (The major threats in Standard, as you've mentioned).
Since Inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek) doesn't exist in Standard, only Modern. Standard format players only have access to Harsh Scrutiny (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Harsh+Scrutiny). Open Heart will, remove Heart of Kiran (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Heart+of+Kiran). Harsh Scrutiny (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Harsh+Scrutiny) and Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind) won't!
You're correct, it won't remove Ishkanah, or Archangel Avacyn (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Archangel+Avacyn), but I've seen neither played in competitive standard recently. (I only consider Archangel Avacyn (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Archangel+Avacyn) being a threat, simply because unless you know your opponent has her in their hand you can't judge when they'll flash (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flash) her into play.) - like Gitaxian Probe (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gitaxian+Probe), knowing is half the battle! (I wish Telepathy (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Telepathy) was in standard!)

True enough, I didn't really explain why I thought it was better than Inquisiton of Kozilek, turn 1 plays are good, though I still think Open Heart has the potential to be better than Inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek) mostly because you have more options, even if you can't play it turn 1. (The probability of getting Inquisition (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition) in your opening hand is 7/60 = 11.7%)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 05, 2017, 12:10:56 am
On the Modern application of Open Heart vs Inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek), I think turn 1 is way better then turn 2 when it comes to hand disruption.  While Open Heart is an upgrade (of sorts) for Distress (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Distress) it still sits at 2cmc and on t2 I would rather cast Inquisition of Kozilek (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Inquisition+of+Kozilek) and hold up Fatal Push (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fatal+Push)/Spell Pierce (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Spell+Pierce)/Spell Snare (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Spell+Snare)/Lightning Bolt (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lightning+Bolt)/Path to Exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile)/ect or just cast Birds of Paradise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Birds+of+Paradise)/Noble Hierarch (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Noble+Hierarch)/Serum Visions (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Serum+Visions)/Ancient Stirrings (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ancient+Stirrings)/ect.

On Standard, it could have a place if some kind of Hellbent/discard fueled deck makes it way onto the scene.  With Archfiend of Ifnir (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Archfiend+of+Ifnir), Hazornet the Fervent, Madness/Cycling cards it is only missing a few pieces.  Though the Legendary clause does cause it to miss out on a surprisingly high amount of problem cards already without the rest of Amonkhet spoiled.  Not to mention Aftermath and Embalm will be around for people to get value from graveyards.

Quote
Open Heart will, remove Heart of Kiran (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Heart+of+Kiran). Harsh Scrutiny (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Harsh+Scrutiny) and Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind) won't!

This is incorrect though.  Heart of Kiran (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Heart+of+Kiran) is legendary.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: blueberry314 on April 05, 2017, 12:21:23 am
When will Anointer Priest's spelling be fixed in the system?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 05, 2017, 12:32:17 am
Here are the Spoilers I wanted to talk about:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/107/200/283/636269167337247129.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/92/200/283/636268966270750247.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/83/200/283/636268955909987464.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/84/200/283/636268957806374613.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/89/200/283/636268962917745186.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/49/200/283/636268107055012882.png)

I don't know what to think about Kefnet the Mindful.  On one hand he has a very hard to fulfill requirement, 7 cards is a lot to ask, on the other he is a flying, indestructible 5/5 for 3cmc... My first impression was wow... what a waste of a God card but since I've thought of a few places he is useful.  I can't imagine why it wasn't 5 or 6 cards.

Channeler Initiate and Exemplar of Strength are interesting cards.  They can be an undercosted creature by targeting something smaller for the -1/-1 counters or be useful and get stronger over time... I like the concept on these cards and hope they drop something else that plays nicely with -1/-1 counters.

Oketra's Monument is the best of the cycle imo followed closely by Rhonas's Monument.  More creatures for just casting other creatures... sounds like a plan :)

Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) might just be insane... It makes a 1/1 token for each -1/-1 counter you put on a creature... I can imagine this with Black Sun's Zenith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Black+Sun%27s+Zenith) now... bow to my unending wave of 1/1 tokens  ;D
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 05, 2017, 12:37:35 am
 :-\ woops, forgot Heart of Kiran (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Heart+of+Kiran) was legendary! Mark my words you'll see it in standard! You will all see! *cackles insanely*
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on April 05, 2017, 01:21:32 am
:-\ woops, forgot Heart of Kiran (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Heart+of+Kiran) was legendary! Mark my words you'll see it in standard! You will all see! *cackles insanely*

The more i think about it, the more i think youre probably right and it will be an okay card, and probably slide right in where Transgress left.

I do think the legendary clause is going to be a big deal though, and will cause it to see noticeably less play than it would otherwise. Though we've only seen 2 gods so far, the Theros gods were sone of the most played cards in the set, and if these are the same, not being able to take them will hurt the card alot
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 05, 2017, 02:08:36 am
Oketra's Monument with Cartouche of Solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Solidarity) with Panharmonicon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Panharmonicon) with Sram's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sram%27s+Expertise) with Zulaport Cutthroat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Zulaport+Cutthroat) with Westvale Abbey (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Westvale+Abbey).. means a token deck is going to be vary viable.

Now this Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) with fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), I'll take that alex for 3 mana.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: HowlingLotus on April 05, 2017, 03:22:46 am
The Monument cards seem very interesting and I'm glad to see they're uncommon instead of legendary rarity. They aren't super OP in the sense that they carry the legendary artifact type to balance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Balance) things out.


Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: CardAgain Sweater on April 05, 2017, 06:27:52 am


Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) might just be insane... It makes a 1/1 token for each -1/-1 counter you put on a creature... I can imagine this with Black Sun's Zenith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Black+Sun%27s+Zenith) now... bow to my unending wave of 1/1 tokens  ;D

I noted that a few of the spoiler creatures a player could cast with a lower cmc, the downside being a bunch of -1/-1 tokens bringing down the oversized-for-the-cost stats; then each turn you perform some action to remove one. Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) gives you a chump blocker for each -1/-1 counter on your creatures as well. I think that is neat.

I'm pretty new to the game; I know of some older cards that remove any kind of counters from your creatures, but unsure if any of them are in standard.

Thanks to all those posting spoilerish stuff!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 05, 2017, 07:25:48 pm


Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) might just be insane... It makes a 1/1 token for each -1/-1 counter you put on a creature... I can imagine this with Black Sun's Zenith (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Black+Sun%27s+Zenith) now... bow to my unending wave of 1/1 tokens  ;D

I noted that a few of the spoiler creatures a player could cast with a lower cmc, the downside being a bunch of -1/-1 tokens bringing down the oversized-for-the-cost stats; then each turn you perform some action to remove one. Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) gives you a chump blocker for each -1/-1 counter on your creatures as well. I think that is neat.

I'm pretty new to the game; I know of some older cards that remove any kind of counters from your creatures, but unsure if any of them are in standard.

Thanks to all those posting spoilerish stuff!

Yeah that will work out for Nest of Scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) in Standard.  I was talking about Modern specifically in my comment but you have the right idea behind how the card works.  I think Black Green counters will be a strategy going forward but will it be +1/+1 or -1/-1 that is the question... :)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 05, 2017, 07:32:53 pm
New Gideon

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_iLihnohg44.png)

So that emblem is kind of crazy.  There are some hard to kill Gideons out there and this one can stick around for a while just preventing damage.  Modern has answers to the planeswalker card but the emblem can easily turn any top decked Gideon into an impossible wall to overcome.  What do you guys think about it?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: CardAgain Sweater on April 05, 2017, 08:30:37 pm
New Gideon

(http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_iLihnohg44.png)

So that emblem is kind of crazy.  There are some hard to kill Gideons out there and this one can stick around for a while just preventing damage.  Modern has answers to the planeswalker card but the emblem can easily turn any top decked Gideon into an impossible wall to overcome.  What do you guys think about it?

'Control' a Gideon. Perhaps a card that specifically hijacks plainswalkers, or bounces them until end of turn, allowing a brief span the emblem would not apply?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on April 05, 2017, 10:16:19 pm
Put Gideon of the Trials into a deck with Teferi, Temporal Archmage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Teferi%2C+Temporal+Archmage).  Get both Emblems and Gideon cannot be destroyed... Thus, you cannot lose and opponents cannot win unless opponents can take out Teferi's emblem... Talk about Superfriends!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 05, 2017, 11:00:03 pm

The more i think about it, the more i think youre probably right and it will be an okay card, and probably slide right in where Transgress left.

I do think the legendary clause is going to be a big deal though, and will cause it to see noticeably less play than it would otherwise. Though we've only seen 2 gods so far, the Theros gods were sone of the most played cards in the set, and if these are the same, not being able to take them will hurt the card alot

There was another reason why I mentioned this being a thing. I had forgotten until now. I noticed that this set put a lot of emphasis on embalm, and recurssion from the graveyard. I remembered that your poll about Standard, and cards that they could introduce to 'fix' it. Tormod's Crypt (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tormod%27s+Crypt), being one of them, then I realised, I theorised that this set would put a solution to embalm, and like Tormod's Crypt (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tormod%27s+Crypt) the have introduced this card:

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/121/200/283/636269760219397984.png)

I am sure you will see others, I think that exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exile) effects, therefore (Transgress the Mind (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Transgress+the+Mind)) won't be important, which will mean that Open Heart (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Open+Heart) has more of an impact. I do agree, Legendary is a problem for it, but from what I have seen of these 'god' cards they are not nearly as potent as the Theros gods.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 05, 2017, 11:19:52 pm
New Gideon

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/123/200/283/636269819203754657.png)

So that emblem is kind of crazy.  There are some hard to kill Gideons out there and this one can stick around for a while just preventing damage.  Modern has answers to the planeswalker card but the emblem can easily turn any top decked Gideon into an impossible wall to overcome.  What do you guys think about it?

For Standard, I would say it has some merit, but mostly has nothing on Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar). (Which will rotate out of Standard by the end of this year.) Control B/W decks with this card are the most likely combination. Three abilities with which can be used immediately is powerful, however, the abilities themselves aren't going to do much to the board state. The emblem won't help you win, only delay, and this Gideon can't protect itself from redirected sorcery/instant damage only damage of targeted permanents. The 4/4 indestructible is a nerf on its original iteration, and will be useful, but is not a game changer. Cards like Blessed Alliance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Blessed+Alliance), Oath of Liliana (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oath+of+Liliana), Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) of Ambition will allow a player to indirectly kill Gideon as a creature.

New spoilers:
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/126/200/283/636269821832022165.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/142/200/283/636270047188686513.png)

It is the only spilt card and trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) I like.

So far only the black mana cards have caught my attention, the rest have been rather lacklustre, your opinions guys?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 05, 2017, 11:39:03 pm
Oketra's Monument (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oketra%27s+Monument) with Cartouche of Solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Solidarity) with Panharmonicon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Panharmonicon) with Sram's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sram%27s+Expertise) with Zulaport Cutthroat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Zulaport+Cutthroat) with Westvale Abbey (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Westvale+Abbey).. means a token deck is going to be vary viable.

Now this Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) with fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), I'll take that alex for 3 mana.

Don't mean to undermine (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Undermine) you Rob, but this brings up a ruling question I would like to clarify. Like Goblin Dark-Dwellers (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Dark-Dwellers) I know that if you recast say Tormenting Voice (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tormenting+Voice) from your graveyard you don't pay its additional cost, so am I correct in saying if you use Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) to cast Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), you don't pay its additional cost, so it would deal 0 damage to target creature or player?

PS: NEW SPOILER
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/145/200/283/636270055745765930.jpeg)
The unstoppable Aether Vial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=%C3%86ther+Vial) , better or worse?
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 06, 2017, 02:23:24 am
That Gideon is nasty and possibly going tribal Gideon is nastier. Then top it off with Call the Gatewatch (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Call+the+Gatewatch) is bonkers. 16 diffrent ways to get a Gideon into play. Lol nothing wrong in that at all, while having 8 Gideons that put out an emblem. Having 12 Gideons that are indistructable. Oath of Ajany to drop em out quicker. Plus anything else you can think of going tribal Gideon like Oath of Gideon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oath+of+Gideon)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 06, 2017, 02:27:21 am
Oketra's Monument (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oketra%27s+Monument) with Cartouche of Solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Solidarity) with Panharmonicon (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Panharmonicon) with Sram's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sram%27s+Expertise) with Zulaport Cutthroat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Zulaport+Cutthroat) with Westvale Abbey (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Westvale+Abbey).. means a token deck is going to be vary viable.

Now this Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) with fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), I'll take that alex for 3 mana.

Don't mean to undermine (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Undermine) you Rob, but this brings up a ruling question I would like to clarify. Like Goblin Dark-Dwellers (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Dark-Dwellers) I know that if you recast say Tormenting Voice (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tormenting+Voice) from your graveyard you don't pay its additional cost, so am I correct in saying if you use Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) to cast Fling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fling), you don't pay its additional cost, so it would deal 0 damage to target creature or player?

PS: NEW SPOILER
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/145/200/283/636270055745765930.jpeg)
The unstoppable Aether Vial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=%C3%86ther+Vial) , better or worse?

Ruling by gatherer on  Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) and then  Goblin Dark-Dwellers (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Dark-Dwellers)

Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) 2/9/2017 If you cast a card “without paying its mana cost,” you can’t pay any alternative costs, such as emerge costs. You can, however, pay additional costs. If the card has any mandatory additional costs, such as that of Cathartic Reunion (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cathartic+Reunion), you must pay those to cast the card.

Goblin Dark-Dwellers (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Dark-Dwellers) 1/22/2016   If you cast a card “without paying its mana cost,” you can’t pay alternative costs such as surge costs. You can pay additional costs. If the card has mandatory additional costs, you must pay those.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 06, 2017, 02:55:47 am

PS: NEW SPOILER
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/145/200/283/636270055745765930.jpeg)
The unstoppable Aether Vial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=%C3%86ther+Vial) , better or worse?

The "or less" is what really makes this card playable.  On first look it can cast Ancestral Vision (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ancestral+Vision) any time and after 2 upkeeps you won't have to worry about keeping mana up for 1 counter a turn.  After that its starts getting crazy.  I think what matters most is the 3 cmc is that going to be too slow?  Turn 5 casting this with AV in hand almost sounds broken and even without AV this really sets up the long game which is where control wants to be.  I like it a lot and will sleeve up some proxies and see were it leads.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: HowlingLotus on April 06, 2017, 05:54:06 am
Much like the Monuments I am interested in making the Trials and Cartouches work in a deck - especially Black. I might try a Black/Red deck due to this and cards like Cut to Ribbons.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: rotocious on April 06, 2017, 07:51:52 am
New Gideon

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/123/200/283/636269819203754657.png)

So that emblem is kind of crazy.  There are some hard to kill Gideons out there and this one can stick around for a while just preventing damage.  Modern has answers to the planeswalker card but the emblem can easily turn any top decked Gideon into an impossible wall to overcome.  What do you guys think about it?

For Standard, I would say it has some merit, but mostly has nothing on Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar). (Which will rotate out of Standard by the end of this year.) Control B/W decks with this card are the most likely combination. Three abilities with which can be used immediately is powerful, however, the abilities themselves aren't going to do much to the board state. The emblem won't help you win, only delay, and this Gideon can't protect itself from redirected sorcery/instant damage only damage of targeted permanents. The 4/4 indestructible is a nerf on its original iteration, and will be useful, but is not a game changer. Cards like Blessed Alliance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Blessed+Alliance), Oath of Liliana (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Oath+of+Liliana), Trial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Trial) of Ambition will allow a player to indirectly kill Gideon as a creature.

You do realize that if Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar) went head to head (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Head+to+Head) with The New Gideon

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/123/200/283/636269819203754657.png)

Gideon of the Trials could just lock down Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar)

You'd be stuck 0-ing the entire time.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: robort on April 06, 2017, 03:28:43 pm

PS: NEW SPOILER
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/145/200/283/636270055745765930.jpeg)
The unstoppable Aether Vial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=%C3%86ther+Vial) , better or worse?

The "or less" is what really makes this card playable.  On first look it can cast Ancestral Vision (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ancestral+Vision) any time and after 2 upkeeps you won't have to worry about keeping mana up for 1 counter a turn.  After that its starts getting crazy.  I think what matters most is the 3 cmc is that going to be too slow?  Turn 5 casting this with AV in hand almost sounds broken and even without AV this really sets up the long game which is where control wants to be.  I like it a lot and will sleeve up some proxies and see were it leads.

This card will be bonkers nuts. Cast stuff for free on your turn and your opponents as well. Cast anything with X or lesser value. Keeping it simple (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Simple), negate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Negate) for free, glimmer of genius (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glimmer+of+Genius) for free, also it doesn't have to be blue. Cast fatal push (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fatal+Push), lightning bolt (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lightning+Bolt), path to exile (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Path+to+Exile) all for free. Being able to cast 2 free spells per turn will make this broken
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on April 06, 2017, 06:43:07 pm
Add in Leyline of Anticipation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Leyline+of+Anticipation) and Tamiyo, The Moon Sage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+the+Moon+Sage), plus the fact that blue is the best color for drawing cards...
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on April 06, 2017, 06:59:46 pm
These two cards....

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(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/145/200/283/636270055745765930.jpeg)

As Fortold is interesting to me becuase its a massive tempo swing, but is actually card disadvantage (since it doesn't actually do anything the turn it comes into play). This card has potential to go completely nuts, but will need to be carefully built around. I can see it going into a Dynavolt Tower (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dynavolt+Tower) deck with just heaps of card advantage (Take Inventory (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Take+Inventory), Anticipate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Anticipate), Glimmer of Genius (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glimmer+of+Genius), Torrental Gearhulk and the like. That keeps your hand loaded and you cassting stuff for free. Maybe a couple Metalurgic Summoning as alternate won conditions.

ANyway, the new Gideon seems a bit insane... mainly because it's a 3 mana planeswalker, which are ALWAYS incredible (modern more than Standard). I can imagine a Green/White modern planeswalker deck that plays a T1 Mana dork, T2, this with emblem, then goes nuts with Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar), and Gideon Jura (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon+Jura). sprinkle in some Oaths, Ghostly prison (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ghostly+Prison), Deploy the Gatewatch (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Deploy+the+Gatewatch), and some removal, and you get a solid Green/ White control deck with planeswaker win cons. As for standard.... I like the idea of Boros or Orzhov Planeswalker control with Big Chandra or Sorin as the major win conditions. Black / white is probably better since it gets Liliana, Sorin, and Ob Nix, but the Chandras and Nahiri are pretty sweet pulls too...

Looks like it's going to be a fun Standard (fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 06, 2017, 09:19:19 pm
As Fortold is interesting to me becuase its a massive tempo swing, but is actually card disadvantage (since it doesn't actually do anything the turn it comes into play). This card has potential to go completely nuts, but will need to be carefully built around.

Maybe a Modern Simic deck?  Ramp into it on t2.  Leyline of anticipation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Leyline+of+Anticipation) (from firegriff) is a pretty good idea but what about Prophet of Kruphix (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Prophet+of+Kruphix)?  Untaps lands and flash (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flash) creatures seems like a decent place for it.  I think it is as much card disadvantage as Aether Vial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=%C3%86ther+Vial) though to be fair Aether vial (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=%C3%86ther+Vial) is a t1 play.

Quote from: KouriNick
ANyway, the new Gideon seems a bit insane... mainly because it's a 3 mana planeswalker, which are ALWAYS incredible (modern more than Standard). I can imagine a Green/White modern planeswalker deck that plays a T1 Mana dork, T2, this with emblem, then goes nuts with Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar), and Gideon Jura (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon+Jura). sprinkle in some Oaths, Ghostly prison (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Ghostly+Prison), Deploy the Gatewatch (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Deploy+the+Gatewatch), and some removal, and you get a solid Green/ White control deck with planeswaker win cons.

I like the idea of Prison BW Planeswalker deck or Esper Planeswalker deck using this.  Mono-W Devotion might not be a bad place since this on t3 with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nykthos%2C+Shrine+to+Nyx) works out great.  If you had a 1 and 2 drop this could ramp you up to 8 on t4 which is enough for Avacyn, Angel of Hope (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Avacyn%2C+Angel+of+Hope) or Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Elesh+Norn%2C+Grand+Cenobite).  Shoot its even enough for Planar Bridge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Planar+Bridge) (if you felt so inclined)

Edit: Did my math wrong... Forgot about Nykthos activation fee.... Still works for Planar Bridge (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Planar+Bridge) :)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 06, 2017, 09:21:11 pm

Ruling by gatherer on  Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) and then  Goblin Dark-Dwellers (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Dark-Dwellers)

Kari Zev's Expertise (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kari+Zev%27s+Expertise) 2/9/2017 If you cast a card “without paying its mana cost,” you can’t pay any alternative costs, such as emerge costs. You can, however, pay additional costs. If the card has any mandatory additional costs, such as that of Cathartic Reunion (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cathartic+Reunion), you must pay those to cast the card.

Goblin Dark-Dwellers (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Goblin+Dark-Dwellers) 1/22/2016   If you cast a card “without paying its mana cost,” you can’t pay alternative costs such as surge costs. You can pay additional costs. If the card has mandatory additional costs, you must pay those.

Cheers for the clarification mate!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 06, 2017, 09:40:59 pm
(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/179/200/283/636270715711646624.png)

The new Liliana, I saw this art released on Wizards of the Coast, so I wasn't surprised seeing this, but I have to say that it isn't the 'best' (5) drop planeswalker released recently, compared to Nissa, Vital Force (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nissa%2C+Vital+Force), which I think is generally better.
While her +1 does provide a board state, you self-mill 2 cards when delirium seems to be becoming vastly redundant.
Her -3 is useful, but then again a resurrection (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Resurrection) spell at 5 mana when your graveyard can be purged is tricky. (Nissa can return any permanent card, for -3 to your hand, which lets you recast instead of just an ETB effect.)
Her -7 isn't an emblem and is a board wipe for zombie decks if isn't dealt with turn ( 8 ) not as great as something like Fumigate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fumigate), but I guess there is some potential.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/168/200/283/636270683521630770.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/161/200/283/636270574774248601.jpeg)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/163/200/283/636270626891154767.png)

These three I wanted to spoil from what has already been released so far. The Manglehorn will be useful against artefact decks that rely on improvise, but is still within shock (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shock) range!
Glory-bound initiate is a beast for 2 mana, I think that turn (3) 4/4 with lifelink (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lifelink) is awesome. (It isn't even legendary) combine with a red deck, and we can get some powerful combos.
Regal Caracal is something that will be a great addition to anyone with a cat fetish, and I sense this can make Cat tribal in Standard a possibility.

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/171/200/283/636270688339600315.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/182/200/283/636270748196111088.jpeg)

Special mentions

Obvious reasons, whilst we've had no real good playable Sphinx' recently, I really rate this one! Lots of potential for a 4/4 flyer for (4) mana! Scry when you cycle, is like a mini Glimmer of Genius (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glimmer+of+Genius), without the energy.
God-King Bolas! - tokens = improvise = tapped creatures = DAMAGE SON!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 06, 2017, 10:01:35 pm

You do realize that if Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar) went head to head (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Head+to+Head) with The New Gideon

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/123/200/283/636269819203754657.png)

Gideon of the Trials (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon+of+the+Trials) could just lock down Gideon, Ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar)

You'd be stuck 0-ing the entire time.

True enough, but I would never be in a situation where I would play a Gideon, ally of Zendikar (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon%2C+Ally+of+Zendikar) after someone has played Gideon of the Trials (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon+of+the+Trials).
Gideon on his own is vulnerable. Which is why you support him. Aggro decks like Mardu Vehicles use multiple threats in combination with him. You can only prevent damage from one permanent with Gideon of the Trials (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon+of+the+Trials), not multiple. Gideon becomes a creature, yes but the turn he comes into play he cannot attack, so that leaves you with only one ability to use, the fog (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fog). He doesn't provide anything to the board state in Standard, unlike his counterpart, which generates a 2/2 ally.
Therefore I would only play him in control decks if I needed to stall the board state long enough to pull a win condition. I don't play to force a draw, I play to win. Mwhaha! *coughs*
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 06, 2017, 10:52:07 pm

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/171/200/283/636270688339600315.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/182/200/283/636270748196111088.jpeg)

Special mentions

Obvious reasons, whilst we've had no real good playable Sphinx' recently, I really rate this one! Lots of potential for a 4/4 flyer for (4) mana! Scry when you cycle, is like a mini Glimmer of Genius (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glimmer+of+Genius), without the energy.
God-King Bolas! - tokens = improvise = tapped creatures = DAMAGE SON!

These cards were a surprise to be sure.  That Sphinx slots right into Modern Living End (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) decks.  Its exactly what they want 1 mana cyclers that have a good body.  This one has scry stapled to it though after it hits the battlefield that should almost be moot.

Throne looks like it will slide into Modern Elves very easily not to mention all the other wide aggro decks.  I like it.  Chord of Calling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Chord+of+Calling) likes it too :)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 06, 2017, 11:20:16 pm
I'm at a severe disadvantage when it comes to knowing modern legal cards! I will defer to your expertise Mr Jabilac!  ;D

I am going to write a lore post soon, so hopefully, the significance of Throne of the God-Pharaoh and Gideon of the Trials (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gideon+of+the+Trials) will be revealed and the storyline will be up for debate! =)
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: KouriNick on April 06, 2017, 11:25:35 pm

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/171/200/283/636270688339600315.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/182/200/283/636270748196111088.jpeg)

Special mentions

Obvious reasons, whilst we've had no real good playable Sphinx' recently, I really rate this one! Lots of potential for a 4/4 flyer for (4) mana! Scry when you cycle, is like a mini Glimmer of Genius (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Glimmer+of+Genius), without the energy.
God-King Bolas! - tokens = improvise = tapped creatures = DAMAGE SON!

These cards were a surprise to be sure.  That Sphinx slots right into Modern Living End (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Living+End) decks.  Its exactly what they want 1 mana cyclers that have a good body.  This one has scry stapled to it though after it hits the battlefield that should almost be moot.

Throne looks like it will slide into Modern Elves very easily not to mention all the other wide aggro decks.  I like it.  Chord of Calling (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Chord+of+Calling) likes it too :)

Hadn't thought about throne in an Elves deck. Good catch (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Catch)! that would be insane! and at the very least a great sideboard card when they need to be more aggressive! Hell, maybe the cohort mechanic from BFZ will see some love because of this :P come to think of ti. There's also some sweet synergy here with Rise from the Tides (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Rise+from+the+Tides) and all those other token makers whose tokens come in tapped. Gives you some immediate value.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Firegriff on April 07, 2017, 02:38:29 am
The Throne with a vehiccle deck could hurt, too, especially if you can find ways to untap on opponent's turn.  Night Market Lookout (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Night+Market+Lookout) and Spireside Infiltrator (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Spireside+Infiltrator) would combo well with it.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: WWolfe on April 11, 2017, 12:55:09 am
Vizier of the Menagerie (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vizier+of+the+Menagerie) looks pretty freaking good.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on April 11, 2017, 02:11:38 am
Oketra the True is the best looking for so far, to me. Neheb, the Worthy makes me wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) if they're going to try and get the RB Minotaur deck going again. That'd make me happy, since it was the first deck I homebrewed in standard when I came back to Magic.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 11, 2017, 02:42:59 am
Oketra the True is the best looking for so far, to me. Neheb, the Worthy makes me wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wonder) if they're going to try and get the RB Minotaur deck going again. That'd make me happy, since it was the first deck I homebrewed in standard when I came back to Magic.

Yeah that was the first thing I thought when I saw Neheb, the Worthy.  Listening to the fans.  That should make anyone looking for a Minotaur tribal deck or EDH deck happy.  3 drop, first strike anthem, and (slightly better) hellbent bonus :)

Oketra, the True is the most "open and play" of the Gods so far.  Double Strike and Indestructible is an interesting keyword combo for sure.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on April 11, 2017, 06:07:38 pm
Nissan is UG now and has an x in her casting cost. She looks pretty solid, too.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Jabilac on April 11, 2017, 06:47:05 pm
Here are a few of the spoilers from earlier today :)

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/279/200/283/636275001532618813.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/287/200/283/636275063327261238.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/280/200/283/636275004907277943.png)

That new Nissa is really interesting... First Planeswalker with an X casting cost?  I can't think of one.  She scales well into the late game and her Abilities are really useful for almost any stage of the game.

Rhonas the Indomitable is exactly what I think people were expecting at this point.  His attack/block requirement is fairly easy to fulfill... this one feels a lot like Nylea, God of the Hunt (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nylea%2C+God+of+the+Hunt).

Lord of the Accursed really drives home the Zombie tribal theme.  Second zombie anthem in this set and a few of these cards might make it into my Zombie deck maybe even an Esper list :)

Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on April 11, 2017, 09:18:55 pm
Mono black zombies will probably be a thing in this set, with Lord of the Accursed and Relentless Dead (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Relentless+Dead) as the powerhouses. Too bad Risen Executioner (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Risen+Executioner) rotated out a while ago, although it's still viable for Frontier.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 12, 2017, 02:18:25 am
Nissan is UG now and has an x in her casting cost. She looks pretty solid, too.

I'm pretty sure I haven't driven a Nissan, you say she's pretty solid? hehe  :P

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/279/200/283/636275001532618813.png) (http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/287/200/283/636275063327261238.png)

I want Nissa to have my babies, even if they have pointed ears. They can get surgery! (I'm surprised that they released her so soon after kaladesh.)
X(U/G) 0 = Look at the top card, if it's a creature or land you can put it onto the battlefield = equal to or less than the number of loyalty counters on Nissa
that's a free card, and you probably would want to pay 2 extra mana, her Scry 2 helps look for that card, adds an extra 2 loyalty, so that 4 mana or less. This is powerful! I want! Green/Blue is my jam and this makes me super friends happy, especially with Tamiyo, Field Researcher (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+Field+Researcher)!

Rhonas the Indomitable is very much like the Temur Battle Rage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Temur+Battle+Rage) ferocious mechanic. This with Lupine Prototype (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Lupine+Prototype) would be colossal! I won't give all my ideas away, but G.Moto gave me a very sweet idea ages ago that I could implement with this card!

Jabilac, I'm not going to cry because you posted that Nissa before me, so I am going to post these!

(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/282/200/283/636275008427236158.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/286/200/283/636275058934163303.png)(http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/131/293/200/283/636275332333979180.jpeg)

Harsh Mentor is ridiculous! I think that it will change standard's meta! For the better? Hopefully!
It is a 2 mana 2/2, making it weak, but its ability has serious potential to cripple decks that use vehicles/artefacts = Aethersphere Harvester (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Aethersphere+Harvester) and Walking Ballista (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Walking+Ballista) (since you can activate it in response ever time you remove a counter you get dealt 2 damage!)

That Plague Belcher, interesting name. If you have a 2/2 zombie token and you place the etb counters onto that, your opponents take 1 damage, when it dies. Pair that, with Zulaport Cutthroat (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Zulaport+Cutthroat) and you have more damage! Either way, a 3 mana 5/4 with menace is great!

(Ladof and Jabilac you're onto something. Mono black zombies could be a thing, especially with Diregraf Colossus (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Diregraf+Colossus) and Liliana's Mastery (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Liliana%27s+Mastery))

Anointed Procession makes token players happy! I think this with Mechanized Production (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Mechanized+Production) maybe, a little ridiculous?!

Initially, I thought this set was probably going to be the worse in a long time, but the new spoilers are changing my mind, a lot!
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: HolyBird2000 on April 12, 2017, 04:55:57 am
Harsh mentor is absolutely insane.  Its essentially a one-sided eidolon of the great revel (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Eidolon+of+the+Great+Revel).  I would not be surprised if it sees heavy play in Modern and even Legacy.  Not having haste isn't great, but that ability, not to mention the fact that its one-sided, is just insane in formats of fetches and powerful aritfacts/deathrites.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Nickadimoose on April 12, 2017, 02:15:58 pm
Anointed Procession has made me entirely too happy. Amonkhet is going to be insane.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Mnemosyne on April 12, 2017, 10:28:42 pm
I'm spoilerizing these beauties!

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I think these are the cards I needed to help me through the precarious transitionary period that will proceed Hour of Devastation (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Devastation)'s Standard rotation.

My G/R deck needed cards that would help replace the ones that would eventually rotate. Sweltering Suns is a great non-instant board wipe in red, it's not instant speed, which still makes Incendiary Sabotage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Incendiary+Sabotage) and Kozilek's Return (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Kozilek%27s+Return) infinitely better, atm.

Samut, Voice of Dissent is, where to begin? Beyond great. A flash (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Flash)/double strike/vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance)/haste? for 5 mana if that's not enough then your ramped up creatures get haste, without having to use Hanweir Battlements (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hanweir+Battlements) or an instant effect? Admittedly, it is a Legendary card, and its activated ability is a white mana source. But the ability to un-tap creatures, is a big deal for G/R decks, especially for an archetype that doesn't utilise vigilance (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vigilance) as much as white. The piece de resistance? It has a 3/4 toughness, meaning whilst it can be directly targeted by kill spells, it is out of range of most low-level burn spells, like Fiery Temper (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Fiery+Temper), Shock (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shock) and Sweltering Suns.

By Force, now that's a great sideboard card, one which ruins artefacts, sorry Kaladesh! The time of Chandra has come. Not as great as Release the Gremlins (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Release+the+Gremlins) but it is much cheaper.

The last two are Enigma Drake and Wayward Servant both exceptional uncommons. Enigma Drake is a great Izzet companion with its evasion and instant sorcery dependent power! Wayward Servant just makes Zombie decks in W/B that much more viable in Standard.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: ladof on April 12, 2017, 11:33:31 pm
Wayward Servant makes WB zombies an actual option in sealed,  too. They're really wanting zombies to be a thing again, I guess.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Grim-Reaper on April 14, 2017, 08:34:23 pm
I wonder (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Wonder) if Honored Crop-Captain could find a home in some 8-whack variants.

RW
Human (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=de&card=Human) warrior

Whenever it attacks, other attacking creatures get +1/+0 until end of turn.

3/2
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: G. Moto on April 21, 2017, 09:15:27 am
  Ladies and Gents of the multiverse, I have enjoyed listening to you and reading your comments on this post. Now I, your favorite planeswalking vamp has some interesting ideas and tricks for you all. I hope you enjoy:

1. [JUND] Hapatra, vizier of poisons (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hapatra%2C+Vizier+of+Poisons) + Consuming Fervor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Consuming+Fervor) + exemplar of strength (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exemplar+of+Strength) = Strength in the Snake Pit (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Snake+Pit)!!!
    Objective- Play hapatra on the field first, then play the exemplar of strength (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Exemplar+of+Strength) and give the exemplar the consuming fervor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Consuming+Fervor). This way you get your 4/4 for 2 mana and every turn you're spitting out snake tokens because you are stacking up the -1/-1 counters. Best part of all of this, you gain life every time he attacks and it removes a -1/-1 counter so it essentially STAYS a 4/4. Really in under 4 turns you can make 2 death touch creatures and still have a 4/4 on the board that you only paid 2 mana to cast. So basically for a total of 5 mana you've created a nasty Jund board state that can get really dangerous (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dangerous) if left unchecked..


2. [ORZHOV] Wayward servant (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wayward+Servant) + Bontu's monument (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Bontu%27s+Monument) + Binding mummy (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Binding+Mummy) + dread wanderer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dread+Wanderer) + festering mummy (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Festering+Mummy) + gravedigger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gravedigger) = Fetching Bones!!!
    Objective- The wayward servant (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wayward+Servant) and Bontu's Monument (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Bontu%27s+Monument) both give and take 2 life off the opponent which is always nice just for playing creatures (which you'll primarily want to be zombies). The binding mummy (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Binding+Mummy) can really tie down your opponent if you plan on going in heavy with a strong power play (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Power+Play) such as with BALEFUL AMMIT (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Baleful+Ammit) (which is exactly what I would plan on doing :) The good thing about Bontu's monument (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Bontu%27s+Monument) is that it also makes your black creature spells cost one less. With that being said, any black creature I just listed in this small combo description just got played for 1 less mana AND if it's a zombie your opponent is losing health. And if you need to keep knocking out the dread wanderer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dread+Wanderer) somehow just use -1/-1 counters from other creatures like plague belcher (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Plague+Belcher) (which can get intense in a combo) in order to keep dropping it then springing it from the grave. If you happen to run into any embalmer's tools (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Embalmer%27s+Tools) play multiples because it will decrease the re-casting cost of dread wanderer (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Dread+Wanderer) from your graveyard. Having two on the board will make his return to battlefield cost only one BLACK mana. So at that point you wouldn't even need the gravedigger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Gravedigger). Either way you're getting value out of your jackal and then you truly are teaching an old dog a new trick.

3. [ABZAN] Anointed Procession (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Anointed+Procession) + Decimator beetle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Decimator+Beetle) + nest of scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) +  soulstinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soulstinger) + Splendid agony (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Splendid+Agony) = Swarm of Scarabs!!!
    Objective- Drop nest of scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) early, then the soulstinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soulstinger) (get 2 scarabs), then play splendid agony (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Splendid+Agony) on the soulstinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soulstinger) (get 2 more scarabs), then play the decimator beetle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Decimator+Beetle), placing the -1/-1 on the soulstinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soulstinger) killing it (and getting another scarab). When the soulstinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soulstinger) dies you'll be placing 5 -1/-1 counters on another creature (giving you 5 more scarabs). When the decimator beetle (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Decimator+Beetle) attacks next turn it'll place a -1/-1 counter on another creature your opponent controls (and making ANOTHER scarab). So to recap, using only FOUR cards you were able to make ELEVEN scarab tokens! Now imagine everything I just said....but with anointed procession (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Anointed+Procession) on the field......DOUBLING ALL YOUR TOKENS!!!!! Can somebody say scarabs for days :)

4. [GRIXIS] Enigma drake (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Enigma+Drake) + shadowstorm vizier (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shadowstorm+Vizier) + cryptic serpent (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cryptic+Serpent) + tormenting voice (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tormenting+Voice) + unburden (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Unburden) = Ride the Storm!!!
   Objective- Playing spells such as unburden (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Unburden) and tormenting voice (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Tormenting+Voice) to load up YOUR graveyard with spells. This will power up your enigma drake (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Enigma+Drake) so it can hit for serious damage. Also the shadowstorm (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Shadowstorm) will hit pretty hard as well if you do a ton of discarding or cycling in one turn. This will also drop the cost of your cryptic serpent (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cryptic+Serpent) for some good ground defense or offense depending on how you look at it. Best part about cards such as unburden (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Unburden) is that if you don't want to discard two cards you can just cycle it, draw a new card and STILL get one more sorcery in the graveyard. Also by using winds of rebuke (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Winds+of+Rebuke) you can save your enigma drake (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Enigma+Drake) from kill spells and potentially load your graveyard with two more spells giving your drake even more power next time you play it. Add some electrify (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Electrify) and you've got a GRIXIS (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Grixis) storm of the century right here (see what i did there with the lightning puns :P
 
5. [SIMIC] champion of rhonas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Champion+of+Rhonas) + scaled behemoth (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scaled+Behemoth) + cartouche of strength (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Strength) + winds of rebuke (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Winds+of+Rebuke) + scribe of the mindful (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scribe+of+the+Mindful) = ANGRY CROC!!!
   Objective- Use the champion of rhonas (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Champion+of+Rhonas) to play the scaled behemoth (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scaled+Behemoth) quickly. Once its on the field play the cartouche of strength (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Strength) to make your scaled behemoth (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Scaled+Behemoth) fight anything you choose. As this is taking place you can keep returning the cartouche back to your hand using the winds of rebuke (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Winds+of+Rebuke), this way you can keep making your angry croc fight whoever you want. And if you're running low on winds of rebuke (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Winds+of+Rebuke) simply use your scribe of mindful to return the winds of rebuke (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Winds+of+Rebuke) back to your hand. And at any time you need to protect one of your non hexproof creatures feel free to use hapatra's mark (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hapatra%27s+Mark) for some protection.


6. [TEMUR] Sixth sense (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sixth+Sense) + slither blade (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Slither+Blade) + consuming fervor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Consuming+Fervor) + hapatra's mark (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hapatra%27s+Mark) = Cunning (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cunning) Snakes!!!
   Objective- Use the slither blade (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Slither+Blade) (a 1/2), then use consuming fervor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Consuming+Fervor) to turn him into a (4/5) unblockable next turn!!!!! Let the -1/-1 counters stack up so that when it's getting close to the end you can play hapatra's mark (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Hapatra%27s+Mark) and wipe away (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Wipe+Away) the -1/-1 counters AND make it hexproof for another thrashing good time. This is a good way to sneak in damage early and even force your opponent into using his best stuff to kill a creature that will always be on the verge of death. The sixth sense (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sixth+Sense) will definitely help you get some guaranteed card draw.


Last one for the night everybody, here goes number 7:[ESPER] Anointed procession (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Anointed+Procession) + devoted crop mate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Devoted+Crop-Mate) +cartouche of solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Solidarity) + doomed dissenter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Doomed+Dissenter) + galestrike (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Galestrike) + vizier of tumbling sands (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vizier+of+Tumbling+Sands) + wayward mummy = Doomed Rescue (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Rescue)!!!
   Objective- Once again the anointed procession (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Anointed+Procession) will be playing a big part of this combo. This time the wayward mummy will be putting in a lot more work this time around since whenever your doomed dissenter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Doomed+Dissenter) dies you'll get 2x (2/2) ZOMBIE tokens on the field (which means they lose two life and you gain two life). Your galestrike (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Galestrike) will be a good way to keep your devoted crop mate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Devoted+Crop-Mate) out of harms way as he is constantly bringing back the doomed dissenter (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Doomed+Dissenter) over and over. If you give the devoted crop mate (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Devoted+Crop-Mate) the cartouche of solidarity (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Cartouche+of+Solidarity) it'll be a (4/3) with first strike and your vizier of tumbling sands (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Vizier+of+Tumbling+Sands) can keep untapping it so that it'll be ready for intercepting at anytime and you can keep reusing the exert ability to save his fallen comrade.

   Well these were just some ideas that I had looking at the new cards from this set. Feel free to give me some feed back on these combos and any thoughts they may have triggered in any of you. I'm eager to see what my creative community can come up with.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: Nickadimoose on April 21, 2017, 02:38:10 pm
I'm going to create so many f***ng snakes.
Title: Re: Amonkhet Spoilers
Post by: G. Moto on April 21, 2017, 06:38:10 pm
  ......all the snakes. Also if you combo consuming fervor (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Consuming+Fervor) with soulstinger (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soulstinger) you'll get a nasty combo as well since he'll be boosted and slowly work himself to death (which will be a benefit to you because you'll be taking out your opponent's creature as well). So you could have him enter as a (4/5), give him the enchantment, then he'll be a (7/8) that will be slowly decreasing every turn. This would work well with the nest of scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) because as you're playing "pop goes the scorpion" all the little scarabs are coming out to play. See how that works?
     Also another idea is to have the nest of scarabs (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Nest+of+Scarabs) combo with soul-scar mage (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Soul-Scar+Mage) and sweltering suns (http://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?lng=en&card=Sweltering+Suns).....that's a lot of -1/-1 counters.