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English-language Forums => General Magic => Topic started by: zacem on March 14, 2019, 11:13:50 pm
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What are people opinions on flicking cards during a game of Magic?
I think I set up the poll right, if not please tell me what I did wrong.
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I fully agree with the professor. I think it's aggravating and pointless.
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Like flicking your own?
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You can take the question however you want it. It can be why you like flicking your cards, or what it means as a community or anything you have to say on the subject.
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But like flicking your cards in hand or touching other people's cards? Not really sure I understand
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I see, sorry.
I mean when a player looks through their hand by taking 1 card and "flicking" it to change its position in their hand. This makes a sound that is hard to describe. Lots of people do it to look through their hand without letting their opponent know what cards they are looking at.
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Oh you mean shuffling your hand?
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Yes, I have heard it called that.
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Ah alright.. I mean why not though? Personally I hold my cards in order but if someone wants to shuffle whatever. It does have multiple advantages and it can be fidgeting too
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I don't have a problem with my opponents doing it, I have learned to tune it out. I used to flick my cards, but it would put a lot of stress on my wrist. After an FNM, my wrist would hurt so much I couldn't shuffle my deck the next day. After realizing this, I started just laying my cards face down during my opponents turn to give my hands a break and now I can play Magic for longer durations.
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Imagine if you are playing a game of chess, which requires a lot of skill and concentration, not unlike magic, and your opponent is constantly tapping on the table, snapping etc. to make noise. Not necessarily to mess with you, but because some people can't sit still. I would (and do) find it annoying regardless of their intentions. Personally I don't pay attention to a card that someone has been holding onto for the entire game. If I bounce a card to their hand, I'll notice that I haven't seen it again, so it is still there, but I don't actively pay attention to what cards they're holding onto, and I don't think many people in the casual or FMN levels of magic do, so there isn't really any strategic gain by doing it aside from annoying your opponent if that is what you are going for. I would easily mess up a complex combo even if I know it well because of the flicking.
It doesn't need to be done. If you ask them to stop and they don't (not because they instinctively do it, but because they are trying to mess with you), you know what type of game your playing, and I personally wouldn't be having fun. If i'm not having fun, I leave. They can "shuffle" their hand quietly. I usually hold my cards so that I am essentially holding a stack of cards, and I fan them out if I need to. Don't do it as part of your strategy. If you can't beat them playing the game, get better. Don't be a [insert derogatory term of your choosing.]
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Imagine if you are playing a game of chess, which requires a lot of skill and concentration, not unlike magic, and your opponent is constantly tapping on the table, snapping etc. to make noise. Not necessarily to mess with you, but because some people can't sit still. I would (and do) find it annoying regardless of their intentions. Personally I don't pay attention to a card that someone has been holding onto for the entire game. If I bounce a card to their hand, I'll notice that I haven't seen it again, so it is still there, but I don't actively pay attention to what cards they're holding onto, and I don't think many people in the casual or FMN levels of magic do, so there isn't really any strategic gain by doing it aside from annoying your opponent if that is what you are going for. I would easily mess up a complex combo even if I know it well because of the flicking.
It doesn't need to be done. If you ask them to stop and they don't (not because they instinctively do it, but because they are trying to mess with you), you know what type of game your playing, and I personally wouldn't be having fun. If i'm not having fun, I leave. They can "shuffle" their hand quietly. I usually hold my cards so that I am essentially holding a stack of cards, and I fan them out if I need to. Don't do it as part of your strategy. If you can't beat them playing the game, get better. Don't be a [insert derogatory term of your choosing.]
I shuffle my hand constantly while i'm waiting for the opponent to do stuff. But I do it silently. and when I play a card down, I do it silently. when I draw a card, I do it silently. If it's a nervous tick, fine. But it can be a nervous tick quietly. idk. I see no point in it. I'm convinced, *convinced*, that people only do it to look like they're professional or cool.
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Also I mean there are other things you can do, even like twiddling your thumbs, because it can just downright break my concentration to hear, "THIP THIP THIP" with your card sleeves over and over.
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Shuffling your hand has some advantages, and distracting your opponent is one of them. If you're playing in like an event, any advantage can be nice lol
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I personally don’t have a problem with it. For some it’s a habit/tic, and I get that. If you’re bending the heck out of them, I might feel bad for the cards and sleeves though.
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Honestly I don't even notice when people do it anymore. It annoys me more when playing casually at the shop people have earbuds in and then you have to explain to them everything that happened while they weren't paying attention. I've gotten to the point I'll just tell them it's not my job to catch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Catch) them up if they weren't paying attention.
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It annoys me more when [...] people have earbuds in and then you have to explain to them everything that happened while they weren't paying attention.
That's a thing that happens? That's pretty rude.
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It annoys me more when [...] people have earbuds in and then you have to explain to them everything that happened while they weren't paying attention.
In my opinion that defeats the entire point of playing Magic in person. I like playing against actual people, being able to talk about something that we have in common, making jokes about the game. That is the main problem I have with Magic online, you can't effectively talk to your opponent.
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That last post didn't come out right, sorry. I am trying to figure out how the more advanced (in my opinion) options work.
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Shuffling your hand has some advantages, and distracting your opponent is one of them. If you're playing in like an event, any advantage can be nice lol
You could hire an ensemble with a dancing monkey (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Monkey-) to distract your opponent. At some point you arent playing magic anymore.
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I fail to see the relevance.. shuffling is not that point
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I fail to see the relevance.. shuffling is not that point
My point is I dont think it's right to try and throw your opponent off his/her game to win. Personally I would rather win by skill/luck than by being an annoyance. Sure there are sports and such where people try to throw their opponents off, such as a linebacker telling the dude in front of him, I'm gonna hug you and cuddle you. The player wasn't ready for that and might be thrown off when the quarterback starts the play.
If it is football or magic though, I would like to win or lose based solely on the game.
But you admit, an ensemble with a dancing monkey (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Monkey-) at a magic tournament!! That would be new.
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Sure there are sports and such where people try to throw their opponents off, such as a linebacker telling the dude in front of him, I'm gonna hug you and cuddle you. The player wasn't ready for that and might be thrown off when the quarterback starts the play.
Guess what I'm going to do next time I'm about to combo off? Can't cast a counterspell (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Counterspell) with my arms wrapped around you.
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Magic is as much about the cards your opponents think you have as the ones you do have.. ;)
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Sure there are sports and such where people try to throw their opponents off, such as a linebacker telling the dude in front of him, I'm gonna hug you and cuddle you. The player wasn't ready for that and might be thrown off when the quarterback starts the play.
Guess what I'm going to do next time I'm about to combo off? Can't cast a counterspell (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Counterspell) with my arms wrapped around you.
That was the best response ever. I cannot stop laughing. And you're absolutely right.
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Magic is as much about the cards your opponents think you have as the ones you do have.. ;)
Yes it is. Personally I don't see a need to shuffle my hand. Some people do and that's fine. My only grip is the insistent noise it makes if my opponent is doing it loudly enough.
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It annoys me more when [...] people have earbuds in and then you have to explain to them everything that happened while they weren't paying attention.
That's a thing that happens? That's pretty rude.
Yea, some of the younger kids at the shop mainly. They're slowly getting the point as we stop "catching them up" on what's happened while they weren't paying attention.
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LOL I voted first without realizing what the subject was a about so I voted yes. Figuring flicking with your finger nail or flicking em across the room, things of that nature.
Flicking cards was because some pro started it and a few other players saw it and in a low tone of voice "whoa that is pretty cool" and they started doing it to. Just like the turn your card sideways in the graveyard to indicate you have a card in exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Exile). Just like writing down life totals on paper, to writing on paper what cards were revealed when they played a duress (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Duress). Some players can't/won't stay completely focused on the game. So now the flickering comes along and some are bad. Some are so bad it is like they have adhd and are on crack. Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, Flap, and so on... I think are they are going to blow a gasket soon if they keep that up. Then I like when their opponent has some response like destroying a creature of thiers and they flap, flap, flap, flap for like 2-5 minutes delaying the game to say "It happens".
Everytime I see this I think/imagine Beavis playing going Hehehehe Flap, Heheheheh Flap, Heheheheh Flap, "like um" hehehehe flap, "and ummm" hehehe flap, "I am going to" hehehehe flap.. "It happens"
I do something of the opposite though, I do shuffle my hand and then I will place it face down in front of me. I know exactly what my cards are and focus on what you are doing. I know what my next move is going to be when it comes back to my next turn, I know if I have a response in my hand if the time comes. If I know something is going to happen, I won't delay the game 2-5 minutes acting it is like the hardest decision to say "it happens".
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Writing things down is not being unfocused, it's being smart..
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Yeah because some people can't/won't actually try to remember things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering
Each game of Magic represents a battle between wizards known as planeswalkers who cast spells, use artifacts, and summon creatures as depicted on individual cards in order to defeat (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Defeat) their opponents, typically, but not always, by draining them of their 20 starting life points. "Excuse me while I get my pencil/pen and paper out while we are in the middle of this battle". Which in now takes away the fantasy of actually being a wizard/planeswalker.
the gameplay bears little similarity to pencil-and-paper adventure games, Again takes away the fantasy of actually being a wizard/planeswalker.
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It's writing down information to keep track of it. If you think it's an inability or refusal to remember things, I suppose there's nothing I can do to teach people who refuse to learn so keep believing whatever you want
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It's writing down information to keep track of it. If you think it's an inability or refusal to remember things, I suppose there's nothing I can do to teach people who refuse to learn so keep believing whatever you want
Nothing to believe when it is actually true. Are you not a wizard/planeswalker? That is the intent of the game and there will be nothing that is going to ever change that.(end of story).
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The intent of the game is to play the card game dude. They don't really care about "being a wizard." This is real life, thanks.
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The intent of the game is to play the card game dude. They don't really care about "being a wizard." This is real life, thanks.
LOL now you are a mind reader all of a sudden. You know what "they" really care or don't care about.
Ooooh Oooh pick me, pick me!! What am I thinking right now?
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I wish there was a WHO CARES choice. I personally flick cards, but I don't think anyone should or shouldn't. It can be a bit damaging to cards though, and I would like to do it less. It is a habit though.