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English-language Forums => General Magic => Topic started by: Morganator 2.0 on April 18, 2019, 03:15:20 am
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Maybe some of you have heard of this new unofficial format, and I want to know what you think of it.
General rules
- Multiplayer format, casual
- 60 card singleton decks
- Two cards in the command zone. First is a planeswalker, called your "oathbreaker", that acts the same way as your commander in EDH. Your deck must match the color identity of your oathbreaker.
- The other card in the command zone is your "signature spell". This is an instant or sorcery that can only be cast if you control your oathbreaker. Each time you cast it, it cost 2 more to cast (even if you're using an alternate cost), and it must always return to the command zone.
- Start with 20 life.
There is also a banlist. Some of it I agree with, some of it not so much. It mostly matches the commander banlist, but notable inclusions are highlighted in green.
Ad Nauseam (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ad+Nauseam)
Ancestral Recall (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ancestral+Recall)
Balance (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Balance)
Biorhythm (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Biorhythm)
Black Lotus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Black+Lotus)
Channel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Channel)
Doomsday (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doomsday)
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Emrakul%2C+the+Aeons+Torn)
Expropriate (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Expropriate)
Fastbond (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fastbond)
Gifts Ungiven (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Gifts+Ungiven)
Griselbrand (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Griselbrand)
High Tide (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=High+Tide)
Library of Alexandria (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Library+of+Alexandria)
Limited Resources (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Limited+Resources)
Lion’s Eye Diamond (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lion%27s+Eye+Diamond)
Mana Crypt (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Crypt)
Mana Geyser (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Geyser)
Mana Vault (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Vault)
Mox Emerald (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mox+Emerald)
Mox Jet (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mox+Jet)
Mox Pearl (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mox+Pearl)
Mox Ruby (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mox+Ruby)
Mox Sapphire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mox+Sapphire)
Natural Order (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Natural+Order)
Painter's Servant (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Painter%27s+Servant)
Panoptic Mirror (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Panoptic+Mirror)
Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge)
Primeval Titan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primeval+Titan)
Recurring Nightmare (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Recurring+Nightmare)
Saheeli, the Gifted (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Saheeli%2C+the+Gifted)
Sol Ring (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sol+Ring)
Sundering Titan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sundering+Titan)
Sway of the Stars (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sway+of+the+Stars)
Sylvan Primordial (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sylvan+Primordial)
Time Vault (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Time+Vault)
Time Walk (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Time+Walk)
Tinker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tinker)
Tolarian Academy (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tolarian+Academy)
Tooth and Nail (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tooth+and+Nail)
Trade Secrets (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Trade+Secrets)
Upheaval (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Upheaval)
Worldfire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Worldfire)
Yawgmoth's Bargain (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Yawgmoth%27s+Bargain)
Notable exclusions (these cards are legal in Oathbreaker):
Braids, Cabal Minion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Braids%2C+Cabal+Minion)
Chaos Orb (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Chaos+Orb)
Coalition Victory (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Coalition+Victory)
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Erayo%2C+Soratami+Ascendant)
Falling Star (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Falling+Star)
Karakas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karakas)
Leovold, Emissary of Trest (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Leovold%2C+Emissary+of+Trest)
Prophet of Kruphix (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Prophet+of+Kruphix)
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rofellos%2C%20Llanowar%20Emissary&set=VMA)
Shahrazad (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shahrazad)
What do you think of this? Do you think this format has potential? Would you be willing to try it out?
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Basically disagree with everything not banned in EDH
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Brawl was a Commander variant. It died out very quickly. Planeswalker "partnered" with a spell as your Commander. Interesting twist.
I might try it IF I could find a play group for it. I had built a Brawl deck, but never played it. Due to lack of players.
It doesn't seem to offer much that you can't get with Commander. In fact, you might get less. 40 starting life allows for longer games and therefore bigger mana production, bigger spells, and, bigger combos. 20 starting life will negate (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Negate) much of that.
I think the popularity of the Commander format is what led to the demise of Brawl. I see Oathbreaker going the same direction. It might be a neat alternative to Commander for small pockets of players, but ultimately they will favor Commander as the format that gets more play.
P.S. You have the ban list a little off. Or rather the "not banned" list. Their website says they start with the Vintage legal banlist. They specifically call out "skill testing cards such as falling star (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Falling+Star)" are not legal. This would also include Chaos Orb (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Chaos+Orb).
Happy Oathbreaking!
:)
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Shoot. Forgot to provide the links.
Rules:
https://weirdcards.org/oathbreaker
Ban list:
https://weirdcards.org/oathbreaker-ban-list
And good eye on the "Skill testing" cards. I didn't notice that on my first read-through. Shahrazad (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shahrazad) is still legal though.
I think that I wouldn't have any trouble getting a playgroup together for this, on the condition that the ban list gets fixed up a bit. I think it's good that all of the cards that translate to "you win the game" are out (Tooth and Nail (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tooth+and+Nail), Doomsday (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doomsday), etc.) because cards like these should not be in the command zone.
But Saheeli, the Gifted (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Saheeli%2C+the+Gifted)? Sol Ring (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sol+Ring)? It seems like this format was made by a group of people in the "ban fast mana" camp. Which is a shame, because commander is the only format where you can really use fast mana, short of Vintage. I've talked to quite a few people who were turned away on this facet alone.
So yeah, clean up the ban list, and I think this could work.
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There's a solid group playing this at my LGS. It's actually really interesting. Gonna put one together and see how I go.
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Shahrazad (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shahrazad) is still legal though.
Nope. Guess again.
The first sentence on their banlist page
Cards banned in Vintage are not legal in Oathbreaker:
Shahrazad (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shahrazad) is banned in Vintage.
:)
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I think that the switch from 40 to 20 life will really change things up. Aggro and burn will be more viable. Even mono-white might get a chance to shine.
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So there's a group at my LGS that's getting into this (including a small segment of my normal playgroup) but I'm just not sure about it. I may throw together a deck out of cards I have laying around but it's not something I'll acquire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Acquire) any cards for until I've played it a few times to see if it sparks my interest.
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It's neat but ummmm....
Going to take some quotes from the page
"It provides players new and interesting deck building challenges in a faster format, with casual big spell feel."
"Twenty life makes aggro a viable deck option and forces combo players to find creative ways to survive to their combo. This is also cushioned by the damage that your Oathbreaker is going to absorb (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Absorb) through the game"
"Sixty cards allows for players to have more focused deck building, and making harder cuts than seen in a 100 card deck."
"We often find that moving back to the base life total and library size that Wizards designs cards for was ideal for providing faster more focused game play."
"allowing us to strongly say that we do not see it as a Commander variant."
"Fun fact the command zone is a legal zone for all games of magic, not just Commander"
First of all they want it fast but don't want to use mana rocks/ accelerants go figure?
Second you can cast the signature spell if your commander/oathbreaker is on the field. Fair enough so this is where my commander/oathbreaker absorbs the damage to help salvage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Salvage) my life. I personally am going after your life and forgo hitting your commander/oathbreaker. Playing loads of casual table top magic I learned going after someone was and is much easier then worrying about some ones planeswalker/oathbreaker.
3rd of all Aggro style with a combo is way to easy to get to especially now I have 60 cards instead of 100. Making cuts much easier with 60 cards then 100. You want to kill people as fast as possible and be the 1st to do it. With 60 cards and 20 life makes this much much easier.
4th and I am not a blue player but I'll use Teferi, Time Raveler (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Teferi%2C+Time+Raveler) and good luck dealing with that. Add in Baral, Chief of Compliance (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Baral%2C+Chief+of+Compliance). Put Force of Will (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Force+of+Will) as my signature spell and good luck playing cards or answers because your instant spells that are now sorceries. How about I make it interesting and use cyclonic rift (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Cyclonic+Rift) as my signature spell.
5th and I will say final notion.. if it isn't a form of commander then lets go with the command zone which was taken from Commander. 60 individual different cards which was taken from Brawl. Using a Planeswalker as your oathbreaker/commander which is also taken from brawl. 20 life will not make for an hour game it will always be short and sweet.
Again neat idea but it just won't have the appeal. Brawl really didn't and neither will Oathbreaker
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I can see that for the majority of people this format either has little or no appeal. What if it got switched up a bit? Life total is 40 you have a 100 card deck, and Saheeli, the Gifted (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Saheeli%2C+the+Gifted), Lion's Eye Diamond (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lion%27s+Eye+Diamond), Mana Crypt (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Crypt), Mana Vault (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mana+Vault), and Sol Ring (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sol+Ring) were all removed from the ban list and made legal.
Would this change anyone's feelings about the format?
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I had a well thought out reply, then I realized it didn't really apply at all. Now I'm sad.
Seems interesting. I like that they say it isn't a commander variant because it doesn't seem like they are trying to replace commander. Although it's like they're trying to resurrect brawl. Personally I never played Brawl. Didn't have too much interest in a rotating card pool seeing as how I am poor, and I think a lot of players were with me on that(the rotating card pool, not being poor, but maybe that too) and that is a big reason why Brawl failed. So maybe this will do better.
I know I just said I don't think they are trying to replace commander, but I think ultimately this is going to compete with commander. It is just so different from other formats. Modern, Standard, Legacy, Pauper, they are all similar with different allowed cards. Commander is vastly different in that it has its own set of rules. People aren't going to jump (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Jump) over from Modern to try out this new Oathbreaker thing, they've tried commander, and liked it or didn't like it. The only people really trying this format out are EDH players, but they play EDH for the variety, longer games, and big bombs like a 15 mana genisis wave. And also it is made for multiplayer. These are all traits that are missing from this new format.
I think this would be a great stepping stone for a new player who has played 1v1 60 card kitchen table magic, and wants to try new stuff. First get an oathbreaker deck. A precon they could pick up would be nice, but I don't think exists (were there ever brawl precons?). And then from oathbreaker they could go to commander. But I also feel buying a precon and going to the local LGS is another great way to go to get into commander. Or going to an LGS. Anyone would be happy to lend one of their 15 decks to the new guy sitting down. Maybe a mono green stompy deck that is fairly easy to pilot.
I'm sorry this was long. I think I kind of rambled over stuff we already knew.
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A few players from my commander play group want to do an Oathbreaker game. What I find appealing is the signature spell and planeswalker pair since it makes the game more flavorful. We haven't played a game yet, but I already have some ideas. It's different from commander because you choose a planeswalker instead of a legendary creature and of course you get a signature spell. You can use any card, not just from Standard. I think because of these, the format is different enough from Brawl and Commander, but that's just me.
I'm thinking of doing Jace, Cunning Castaway (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Jace%2C+Cunning+Castaway) as my commander with some kind of proliferate spell. I also am thinking of Ral Zarek (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ral+Zarek) with Twincast (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Twincast) for an artifact spellslinger deck. With Ral's ability you can untap Izzet Boilerworks (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Izzet+Boilerworks) or Thran Dynamo (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thran+Dynamo). Lastly, Domri, Chaos Bringer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Domri%2C+Chaos+Bringer) would be a sweet Aggro deck.
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Just wanted to chime in that I don't generally like commander as it often just takes forever to play a game, but I have already built like 5+ decks for oathbreaker. It seems like a much faster format with the charm and flavor that commander brings.
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I would recommend cEDH
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Lol thanks for trying but I'll pass :) oathbreaker is a way better solution to me than that.
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Lol thanks for trying but I'll pass :) oathbreaker is a way better solution to me than that.
What? You dont have $1,000 to drop on a cEDH deck?
If I make an oath breaker deck, I absolutely have to choose Nicol Bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas), Plansewalker and Cruel Ultimatum (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Cruel+Ultimatum). Maybe after war of the spark I could do Nicol Bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas), Dragon-God and one of the finales. I dont think it mentioned it anywhere in the rules, but from my understanding the signature spell has to be in the color identity of the commander? It doesnt have to Match the identity completely? I can have a blue spell as my signature spell in a 2 color deck?
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Lol thanks for trying but I'll pass :) oathbreaker is a way better solution to me than that.
What? You dont have $1,000 to drop on a cEDH deck?
More like $4000 minimum.
I have a few decks that are in the $1000 range that aren't cEDH.
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Proxies my guys
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There is a thread that handles frequently asked questions about cEDH.
https://deckstats.net/forum/index.php/topic,41224.0.html
I will tell you this now; decks do not cost $4000 (maybe if you choose to foil them out).
Now back to Oathbreaker.
I dont think it mentioned it anywhere in the rules, but from my understanding the signature spell has to be in the color identity of the commander? It doesnt have to Match the identity completely? I can have a blue spell as my signature spell in a 2 color deck?
That is correct. The signature spell must be within the color identity of your Oathbreaker, but not exact.
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Lol thanks for trying but I'll pass :) oathbreaker is a way better solution to me than that.
What? You dont have $1,000 to drop on a cEDH deck?
More like $4000 minimum.
I have a few decks that are in the $1000 range that aren't cEDH.
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And my father disapproves of me spending $100 on a deck. Good thing it's my money old man!!!
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I will tell you this now; decks do not cost $4000 (maybe if you choose to foil them out).
I've seen Food Chain (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Food+Chain) Tazri decks in the $4-5K range. Chain Veil Teferi in the $4000-4500 range. Zur Doomsday (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doomsday) right under $4000. Thrasios/Vial Smasher around $3800. Maybe the decks you see are cheaper, but these are among the most popular ones in my LGS. Granted, my LGS is full of old-heads that have been playing forever and have multiple copies of ABU duals and can put a copy of each in all of their decks.
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Proxies are allowed in all my playgroups but only if you own the card itself. I personally won't proxy because it just doesn't have the real feel deal. I would hate to look at a card and think "you are fake piece of cardboard". Nothing feels better then having the real card in my hand.
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Proxies are allowed in all my playgroups but only if you own the card itself. I personally won't proxy because it just doesn't have the real feel deal. I would hate to look at a card and think "you are fake piece of cardboard". Nothing feels better then having the real card in my hand.
Now I will say I use proxies in my decks for any card over $100. I'm just not taking a chance on them being stolen or bent or whatever. My Sidisi deck is over $2700 due to 3 ABU duals and Gaea's Cradle (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Gaea%27s+Cradle) but those are proxies. I have copies of all the cards I use proxies of however. I use to not like proxies...until the value of the ABU duals & Cradle spiked so much.
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It all depends on the deck :P Yidris is ~$7.4k without foils.
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So I did some brainstorming with some friends, and there are some weird synergies you can do with the signature spells and Planeswalkers.
Narset, Parter of Veils (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Narset%2C+Parter+of+Veils) + Windfall (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Windfall)= you have a hand, no one else does.
Teferi, Temporal Archmage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Teferi%2C+Temporal+Archmage) + Fabricate (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fabricate)= search for The Chain Veil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Chain+Veil) and win with that combo.
Tezzeret the Seeker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tezzeret+the+Seeker) + Merchant Scroll (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Merchant+Scroll)= use merchant scroll (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Merchant+Scroll) to search for Dramatic Reversal (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dramatic+Reversal), and then Tezzeret gets Isochron Scepter (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Isochron+Scepter).
Liliana, Death's Majesty (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Liliana%2C+Death%27s+Majesty) + Buried Alive (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Buried+Alive)= Put Necrotic Ooze (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Necrotic+Ooze), Triskelion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Triskelion), and Phyrexian Delver (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Phyrexian+Delver) in grave. Liliana reanimates Necrotic Ooze (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Necrotic+Ooze) and you can win with that combo.
Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Freyalise%2C+Llanowar%27s+Fury) + Triumph of the Hordes (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Triumph+of+the+Hordes)= Play an elfball strategy with the win condition right there at your side.
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Tezzeret the Seeker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tezzeret+the+Seeker) + Mystical Tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mystical+Tutor)= Search for Isochron Scepter (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Isochron+Scepter) with Tezzeret, Mystical Tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mystical+Tutor) on the Scepter. Search for Beacon of Tomorrows (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Beacon+of+Tomorrows)...
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Tezzeret the Seeker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tezzeret+the+Seeker) + Mystical Tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mystical+Tutor)= Search for Isochron Scepter (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Isochron+Scepter) with Tezzeret, Mystical Tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mystical+Tutor) on the Scepter. Search for Beacon of Tomorrows (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Beacon+of+Tomorrows)...
Unfortunately I don't think that works. The Signature Spell always returns to the Command Zone, and Isochron Scepter (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Isochron+Scepter) requires you to exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Exile) a card from your hand.
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Wasn't referring to it with the signature spell. Just saying in general.
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The format seems somewhat interesting. If I had any relevant cards I'd probably give it a go but I don't have much money or time for it at the moment. Though, if I could, I'd probably put a Ral, Storm Conduit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ral%2C+Storm+Conduit) and Expansion//Explosion deck together because that sounds broken.
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Oh shoot. Forgot one of the combos we came up with.
Ral, Storm Conduit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ral%2C+Storm+Conduit) with Fork (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fork).
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Oh shoot. Forgot one of the combos we came up with.
Ral, Storm Conduit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ral%2C+Storm+Conduit) with Fork (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fork).
Because who needs a signature spell when you can copy your opponent's?
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I guess I'm going to end up trying this format as it seems to be catching fire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fire) at my LGS. Any suggestions for a PW & signature spell?
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I actually met the people who made the format (Weirdcards) at an event in Minneapolis. It was pretty fun!
I hope it takes off, because I often don't have time to play a whole commander game, but Oathbreaker is a good bit faster.
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People keep saying they like it cuz it's faster but literally cEDH tho 🤧🤧🤧
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I play competitive commander, and even I'm making a deck for Oathbreaker. My playgroup is entirely made up of commander players, and we see this as a nice variant (I don't care what the creators of Oathbreaker say, this is totally a commander variant).
I've already given some suggestions for some deck ideas. But if you need more...
Xenagos, the Reveler (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Xenagos%2C+the+Reveler) + Triumph of the Hordes (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Triumph+of+the+Hordes): expect this to be similar to Grand Warlord Radha (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Grand+Warlord+Radha).
Tamiyo, Field Researcher (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tamiyo%2C+Field+Researcher) + Enlightened Tutor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Enlightened+Tutor): Think Derevi Stax, but where you can search up any stax piece.
Liliana, Untouched by Death (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Liliana%2C+Untouched+by+Death) + Zombie Apocalypse (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Zombie+Apocalypse): I know you like zombie tribal WWolfe, so this one should appeal to you the most.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Chandra%2C+Torch+of+Defiance) + Fiery Confluence (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fiery+Confluence): The best thing I can think of if you're trying to do a mono-red burn deck.
Garruk, Apex Predator (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Garruk%2C+Apex+Predator) + Assassin's Trophy (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Assassin%27s+Trophy): Kill all other Planeswalkers.
Will Kenrith (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Will+Kenrith) + Rowan Kenrith (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rowan+Kenrith) + Grapeshot (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Grapeshot): It's a storm deck. That is all.
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I agree with Sorin with yes cedh is really fast but even at my playgroups there is hardly any game that goes on for an hour. But think about this though? People say they want something faster. Ok I will give them they want faster but odd for people who want something faster that we have formats with a time limit that goes to 50 minutes max per match. How much faster you want? 2 minute games? 3 minute games? 5 minutes games? 10 minutes tops? Which I also think it is odd you want faster but don't want mana rocks go figure.
My thing though with oathbreaker is this. When certain cards get broken and/or commanders/oathbreakers. How big is the ban list going to become? So far the list is pretty long and how much more longer it honestly and really it is going to become.
Don't also forget (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Forget) tiny leaders got busted and broken because of speed, speed, speed.
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Tiny leaders was 1 vs 1. Oathbreaker is multiplayer. While games will go faster, I don't think it will be by that much. I doubt burn will be viable (60 damage is difficult to pull off) but aggro and Boros decks stand a better chance now.
I'm optimistic, but this craze probably will die down in a month or so.