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English-language Forums => Commander Discussion => Topic started by: superduperbeans on May 20, 2019, 09:28:02 pm
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Exactly what the title says. I'm curious to see what everyone's favorite commander deck is. It doesn't have to be the winning-est deck, the most expensive, anything like that. Just the deck that you always enjoy pulling out and playing. Maybe some jank combo? Getting to throw down big fatties? Whatever it is, so long as you have a blast, I wanna hear about it! Bonus points if you throw in a decklist, so let's see those brews!
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It all depends. I tend to go through phases. The one I end up playing the most is my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sidisi%2C+Brood+Tyrant) deck but lately I've been playing my Grand Arbiter Augustin IV (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Grand+Arbiter+Augustin+IV) deck more (I had retired it but rebuilt it recently just to have something different).
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I'm not quite sure what a pet deck is. I enjoy playing all of my decks.
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A pet deck being the one you choose when you just want to have fun. It could be the one you've spent the most time putting together and tuning, it could be some goofy monstrosity that should't work, does't matter. Just the "if I could only play with one deck" top choice
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I do like to play all of my commander decks equally, but my pet deck would have to be my Mizzix of the Izmagnus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mizzix+of+the+Izmagnus) spellslinger deck. It was one of my earliest commander decks and it has slowly gotten stronger throughout the years, but it is always a ton of fun.
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Lately it's been my Thantis, the warweaver (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thantis%2C+the+Warweaver) deck. I like the unpredictably with it and usually at one point in the match someone asks how much life you got and I say a lot which is usually in the mid 30's while everyone else is in the teens.
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It honestly would be a toss up between my Life is worth Living deck...
https://deckstats.net/decks/121107/1177254-life-is-worth-living/en
Or my Muldrotha Toolbox deck...
https://deckstats.net/decks/121107/1162616-muldrotha-toolbox/en
The first deck is one I've been playing since EDH was still a forum idea and utilizes abilities I don't see in MTG anymore, especially in my area. It is defiantly my most casual deck.
The second deck is one I've been improving on and uses one of my all time favorite Commanders. The deck has a few janky combos and has an average 80% Win Rate.
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Most fun to play? Nekusar. Most consistent wins? Anafenza the Foremost (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Anafenza%2C+the+Foremost). Most time spent developing and trying to get to work? Thraximundar (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thraximundar).
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When all is said and done, I have to say my Grimgrin, Corpse-Born (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Grimgrin%2C+Corpse-Born) Mill deck is the one I probably enjoy playing the most. I've kept it the longest, put the most effort into getting foils for it and when I pick which decks I'm bringing on a given night its the only one that always makes the cut. I tend to gravitate towards graveyard strategies anyway, but Grim remains my favorite. I'd link the list but not sure how to do so on this site.
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Just copy and paste the URL from the deckstats deck link. It will automatically populate. Out of curiousity, why GrimGrin as the Commander and not Phenax, God of Deception (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Phenax%2C+God+of+Deception) with GrimGrin as one of the 99?
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I know it's not an EDH deck but Animar. It's a deck that has gone through many phases during its lifetime. My first proper EDH was starring Rosheen Meanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rosheen+Meanderer) as it's commander back when Shadowmoor came out. Fast forward a couple of years and Animar came out. I saw it played but people hadn't quite figured out how it works so I didn't get to see the big plays with it but I did take a mental note (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mental+Note) of it.
Then I took a pause from playing for quite a few years and when I got back into playing I swapped the commander first to Selvala and a moment after that to Animar (because I wanted to keep Apocalypse Hydra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Apocalypse+Hydra) and Savageborn Hydra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Savageborn+Hydra)) and fairly quickly reduced the deck into a Tiny Leaders deck. It's one of my go-to decks because I like swinging with big fatties. Sure they get removed a lot and someone usually brings deathtouch to the table but I get satisfaction from double digit P/T.
I've also gone through other deck ideas with Animar: a janky ping version with tons of draw to pump out massive amounts of stuff that taps for damage, a cheerios colourless artifact creature deck and whatnot. I still like the Hydra one the most.
I also recently renewed my Rosheen deck although I haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
https://deckstats.net/decks/93006/878383-animar-soul-of-hydras/en
https://deckstats.net/decks/93006/811329-rosheen-meanderer-revised-edit/en
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My pet deck was Nekusar the Mindrazer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nekusar%2C+the+Mindrazer), but every game soon turned into Archenemy because it was pretty savage so it was no longer fun to play because I was always taken out first, regardless of my board state. I had nights where I slaughtered everyone with Nekusar, then switched decks and was still taken out first out of saltiness. I ended up dismantling Nekusar, despite him being one of my favourite commanders of all time.
Now it's Feldon of the Third Path (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Feldon+of+the+Third+Path).
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Is a pet deck just your favorite deck?
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It could be. It could also be the one you prune and tune the most, the one you've blinged out with foils. The one you always pack up when you go to an LGS to play. Some people have a hard time with picking a "favorite" but, in essence, yes it would be your favorite
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Was Grand Arbiter. Back when I was so innocent and didn't understand how much people hated taxes and how awful Azorius is at finding Win-Cons.
The whole deck was based around building a disgustingly fortified board state to tax 7 mana and 2 life per attacking creature, finding Clone Legion (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Clone+Legion) or something, and hopefully ending the game before I milled myself out.
Now I know that sounds like the most toxic thing ever, and I was absolutely targeted into the ground every game with good reason, but in my defense my first commander game I had brought a budget Merfolk Tribal deck to a six player EDH game where people were running- Elesh Norn, Infinite Elves Rhys, Omnath Locus of Mana (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Omnath%2C+Locus+of+Mana), Shirei Shizo's Caretaker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shirei%2C+Shizo%27s+Caretaker), and the last was like Kiki-Jiki or something.
In essence, I took a water gun to a flamethrower fight, "I play a merfolk and pass" 30 minutes later "I play a merfolk and pass". So I assumed that's just how commander was, and I spent months crafting a sinister deck that would DEFINITELY let me play magic. It just didn't let anyone else play, so it has been heavily redesigned with Daxos of Meletis (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Daxos+of+Meletis), but alas it is boring.
Right now my pet deck is Melek, Izzet Paragon (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Melek%2C+Izzet+Paragon).
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My pet deck is a janky bird deck that just kills through air damage. Not very competitive. but really fun none the less. Using the various synergy with flying make it easy to pilot, so I use it as a guide deck when introducing other player to EDH. My main deck is a gyrus deck.
Lost the list to the bird one, have the gyrus one though.
https://deckstats.net/decks/123037/1240162-gyrus-edh/en
It is sorted by reanimation targets and those you should play.
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My Inalla, Archmage Ritualist (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Inalla%2C+Archmage+Ritualist) deck. I've been collecting a lot to make it pretty competitive and thus far, it has my collection of dual lands. I just love how far it has come :') and I like Wizard tribal. I can actually play it over and over again because the ETBs of each Wizard is different enough that it plays differently a lot of the time.
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Mine would either be the locust God (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Locust+God) or my Thraximundar (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thraximundar) (Nicol Bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) Tribal in disguise) deck. I like the locst God because unless people are playing draw hate cards then I can pretty much do my own thing. I dont mess with other people's stuff, they will leave me alone. Apparently I'm not threatening, despite being my most winning deck.
My thraximundar (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thraximundar) deck is more fun usually because that's why I built it. I wanted to role play nicol bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) (through the cards, not by dressing up or anything weird like that) and I think I did a good job. And then it is strong enough to be competitive as well. Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
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Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
By your own volition or because the group says so? I'd love for someone to tell me I wasn't allowed to play a specific deck...
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Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
By your own volition or because the group says so? I'd love for someone to tell me I wasn't allowed to play a specific deck...
The group. No more than 1 control deck allowed at the table. And they consider my zedruu control. Apparently every damn deck I have is control. Explain to me how my maelstrom wanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Maelstrom+Wanderer) list is control. It has a few answers, but all decks should.
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Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
By your own volition or because the group says so? I'd love for someone to tell me I wasn't allowed to play a specific deck...
The group. No more than 1 control deck allowed at the table. And they consider my zedruu control. Apparently every damn deck I have is control. Explain to me how my maelstrom wanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Maelstrom+Wanderer) list is control. It has a few answers, but all decks should.
Cringe is real. What kind of people do you hang out with if they're setting such limitations on your fun?
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Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
By your own volition or because the group says so? I'd love for someone to tell me I wasn't allowed to play a specific deck...
The group. No more than 1 control deck allowed at the table. And they consider my zedruu control. Apparently every damn deck I have is control. Explain to me how my maelstrom wanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Maelstrom+Wanderer) list is control. It has a few answers, but all decks should.
Cringe is real. What kind of people do you hang out with if they're setting such limitations on your fun?
Old people that think land destruction isnt a valid point of the game. I understand it isnt fun, but I run deathcloud in my windgrace deck and it's a win con because I can recover (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Recover) from the land loss more than anyone else, and I designed it to be able to pull crap out of the graveyard no problem so the discard and sac arent a big deal.
I wanna make my sen triplets (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sen+Triplets) deck into a stax deck, but then I'll never be aloud to play it. Ever.
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Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
By your own volition or because the group says so? I'd love for someone to tell me I wasn't allowed to play a specific deck...
I kinda get that. It makes for some really interesting games...but they're long. Game duration if nobody is playing control (as their main strategy, that is): one hour. If one player plays control: one and a half hours. If two or more play control: three hours or longer. Say P3 plays a big threat, it gets removed but it's not completely exiled for good (i.e. it's a race against drawing a reanimator card or a tutor to get it) so the rest of the table just puts the player out of their misery while they're still weak. Then basically the two control players play alone for another two hours. Not terribly interesting for the rest of the table.
People tend to like really fast paced games. It feels like a lot is happening, they're doing a lot of things. If a couple of players suddenly start dragging the game out the others might feel like they're not dead yet but they're kind of out of steam and can't win unless one control player is gone. Then it becomes an arms race to sideboard the deck with anti-control cards and suddenly their tempo suffers and the games drag out even longer.
It's also completely possible that the control decks in my play group profoundly lack good win conditions and someone mirroring their strategy makes the few win conditions even less likely to succeed.
Actually reminds me of a weird game I played: I had a janky Naya life gain deck with stuff like Ajani Pridemate, Ageless Entity (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ageless+Entity) etc as it's main win conditions. My friend had a Platinum something out so I couldn't win, didn't have ways to remove it (or I did, but they all got countered). He couldn't touch my Sunbonded lifelinker for a few turns so I got free attacks on him. Result: I gained a lot of life, like 6k or so. He got a Darksteel Colossus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Darksteel+Colossus), Kozilek and Rite of Replication (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rite+of+Replication) with kicker targeting the Colossus. I'm sure there was a way for him to renew his library but we kinda called it a draw because I had so much life that he couldn't win by damage alone before his library was out. Needless to say I didn't have any permanents for the last ~50 turns that we shortcutted. Ok there were a lot of things deck building-wise that we could have done to improve the situation But it's just one of those "the control player can't win despite controlling the entire board" moments.
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Sadly since its heavily control, I'm not allowed to play it if there is another control deck at the table.
By your own volition or because the group says so? I'd love for someone to tell me I wasn't allowed to play a specific deck...
I kinda get that. It makes for some really interesting games...but they're long. Game duration if nobody is playing control (as their main strategy, that is): one hour. If one player plays control: one and a half hours. If two or more play control: three hours or longer. Say P3 plays a big threat, it gets removed but it's not completely exiled for good (i.e. it's a race against drawing a reanimator card or a tutor to get it) so the rest of the table just puts the player out of their misery while they're still weak. Then basically the two control players play alone for another two hours. Not terribly interesting for the rest of the table.
People tend to like really fast paced games. It feels like a lot is happening, they're doing a lot of things. If a couple of players suddenly start dragging the game out the others might feel like they're not dead yet but they're kind of out of steam and can't win unless one control player is gone. Then it becomes an arms race to sideboard the deck with anti-control cards and suddenly their tempo suffers and the games drag out even longer.
It's also completely possible that the control decks in my play group profoundly lack good win conditions and someone mirroring their strategy makes the few win conditions even less likely to succeed.
Actually reminds me of a weird game I played: I had a janky Naya life gain deck with stuff like Ajani Pridemate, Ageless Entity (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ageless+Entity) etc as it's main win conditions. My friend had a Platinum something out so I couldn't win, didn't have ways to remove it (or I did, but they all got countered). He couldn't touch my Sunbonded lifelinker for a few turns so I got free attacks on him. Result: I gained a lot of life, like 6k or so. He got a Darksteel Colossus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Darksteel+Colossus), Kozilek and Rite of Replication (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Rite+of+Replication) with kicker targeting the Colossus. I'm sure there was a way for him to renew his library but we kinda called it a draw because I had so much life that he couldn't win by damage alone before his library was out. Needless to say I didn't have any permanents for the last ~50 turns that we shortcutted. Ok there were a lot of things deck building-wise that we could have done to improve the situation But it's just one of those "the control player can't win despite controlling the entire board" moments.
He didnt have a way to kill his own kozilek?
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I don't have a pet deck cause i'm not playing magic the gathering, i am only doing deck on deckstats and sincerely i've never played commander or oathbreker...i'm using my experience in legacy and modern to do the cedh descks!!!!
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I just started playing EDH about a year ago and I don't think I can go back to any other constructed format! I'm all about EDH, Brawl, and now Oathbreaker these days. The Highlander formats are probably the most fun I've have playing Magic.
I have 3 complete EDH decks that I use: Mardu vampire tribal, Selesnya token flood (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Flood), and my favorite, my Bant counters deck. I love to build stuff around mechanics and see how I can abuse the absolute crap out of it. My Bant deck is full of cards that place, interact with, or check +1/+1 counters, for a board full of constantly-growing dudes with all kinds of tricks up their sleeves.
I can't even begin to describe how happy I was when I saw that WoTC brought the Proliferate mechanic back in War of the Spark. For this deck, it was one of the best synergies that I found, and though I haven't retooled this deck with any of the new cards, it still works great on its own.
https://deckstats.net/decks/113619/1162783-bant-edh-1-1-counter-fun (https://deckstats.net/decks/113619/1162783-bant-edh-1-1-counter-fun)
Tracking this thread to see others' EDH decks so please share!
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https://deckstats.net/decks/120844/1152765-in-death-we-serve/en
This deck is so sick! It's resilient, aggressive with the tutors, and just super fun to play!
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He didnt have a way to kill his own kozilek?
Can't remember but probably not. Since then we've started to side stuff like Elixir of Immortality (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Elixir+of+Immortality).
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look out, i'm almost a full member
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oh no...the first downvote, it's Tom Cruise so wrong???
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Hey...he's downvoting everything, seems having fun a lot, what a nice person....
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I don't think the problem is the Tom Cruise picture. You're making an irrelevant post in a thread that was made to discuss people's decks. This is something that would instead go in the Off-Topic forums. It's usually fine if you occasionally post something off-topic (I do it too). If you have any more questions about stuff, send me a private message.
Now to get back on-topic, I think I've finally figured out what a pet deck is. It is the deck that you decided is your favorite deck, no matter how irrational that decision is. I can't really decide what mine is. As I said before, I like all of them. Decks I don't like get taken apart. I guess right now my favorite would be Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vaevictis+Asmadi%2C+the+Dire), because it was a very hard build, and I'm constantly having to make small adjustments to get everything to work.
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i haven't see it thanks...
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anyway i don't think it's for this topic, cause continue downvoting everything i say, i suppose he consider me inappropriated on the forum cause i'm always joking...but that's the way i am i don't want that an avatar hide my personality and make the discussion steril or that the forum become desert (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Desert) so i try to animate more and this sometimes seems out of place !!!!!!!
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I don't think the problem is the Tom Cruise picture. You're making an irrelevant post in a thread that was made to discuss people's decks. This is something that would instead go in the Off-Topic forums. It's usually fine if you occasionally post something off-topic (I do it too). If you have any more questions about stuff, send me a private message.
Now to get back on-topic, I think I've finally figured out what a pet deck is. It is the deck that you decided is your favorite deck, no matter how irrational that decision is. I can't really decide what mine is. As I said before, I like all of them. Decks I don't like get taken apart. I guess right now my favorite would be Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vaevictis+Asmadi%2C+the+Dire), because it was a very hard build, and I'm constantly having to make small adjustments to get everything to work.
My God, it took you that long to figure out what a pet deck is and then decide you dont have one?
Well you're wrong. It's the deck you walk around the block and call a good boy and give unconditional love to.
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My God, it took you that long to figure out what a pet deck is and then decide you dont have one?
Well you're wrong. It's the deck you walk around the block and call a good boy and give unconditional love to.
Walk cards... around block... in streets...
Instructions unclear.
(https://i.imgur.com/ezl6usQ.jpg)
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don't worry if life go wrong...someone in the universe is a jumping tom cruise with an addiction to curvy girls
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My God, it took you that long to figure out what a pet deck is and then decide you dont have one?
Well you're wrong. It's the deck you walk around the block and call a good boy and give unconditional love to.
Walk cards... around block... in streets...
Instructions unclear.
(https://i.imgur.com/ezl6usQ.jpg)
Did you call it a good boy?
In all seriousness, that is an absolutely tragic thing to see right there. Even if they were all basic mountains, that's a lot of cards. Hopefully nothing too valuable there.
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Someone pi$$ed off the wrong lady...
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My Jhoira deck is my child, it started off as Melek but games ended up playing the same. Since I've modified it to be a Jhoira/KCI combo deck (no storm) and I've had a ton of fun and it's become the only EDH deck I've actually invested into. Aside from that it would be Karador cuz pod.
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First things you learn being new to Commander are a) mass removal is king in a multiplayer format, and b) your spells should be versatile, not very circumstantial.
So I've built a deck full of conditional spot removal.
Turns out: People are right. The deck is not very good. But it's a lot of fun! And you can get away with it because of those reasons:
- the commander is Kess, Dissident Mage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Kess%2C+Dissident+Mage), so at least you can always use each spell twice
- many of the conditional spells are either cheap, or cantrips, or cheap cantrips, like Soul Rend (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Soul+Rend)
- there's additional card advantage per spell with stuff like Firemind's Research (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Firemind%27s+Research) or Trail of Evidence (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Trail+of+Evidence)
Here's an older version of the list:
https://deckstats.net/decks/69375/899186-kess-mage-of-dissident-spells-
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My Jhoira deck is my child, it started off as Melek but games ended up playing the same. Since I've modified it to be a Jhoira/KCI combo deck (no storm) and I've had a ton of fun and it's become the only EDH deck I've actually invested into. Aside from that it would be Karador cuz pod.
You don't run a mass land destruction build? Suspend your stuff and then cast jokulhaups (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Jokulhaups) ap your opponents cant cast stuff, but you have stuff already suspended.
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My Jhoira deck is my child, it started off as Melek but games ended up playing the same. Since I've modified it to be a Jhoira/KCI combo deck (no storm) and I've had a ton of fun and it's become the only EDH deck I've actually invested into. Aside from that it would be Karador cuz pod.
You don't run a mass land destruction build? Suspend your stuff and then cast jokulhaups (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Jokulhaups) ap your opponents cant cast stuff, but you have stuff already suspended.
I always forget (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Forget) about suspend Jhoira. I’m playing weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) captain and MLD has never really called to me like bots and copying spells have. If I were to build suspend jhoira it would probably be to suspend a big spell then copy a few times when it comes off suspend.
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Oh. You're running new jhoria. Gotcha. Yeah big difference in how the decks play.
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I don't play commander yet, but this is the deck I'll use when I do:
https://deckstats.net/decks/131148/1316191-guildmage-gonzo-ver-ii-edh-/en
It's a re-creation of the Ravnica Guildmages re-incarnating Niv-Mizzet as the Living Guildpact!
It's also full to the brim with OpTiOnS... Each Guildmage has 2 tap abilities, each Sorcery//Instant card has two options, and each Charm has three options! That's 130 different options you can pull from the deck!
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You're gonna need some kind of ramp, that's a pretty mana intensive deck.
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It's not that bad when you realize that every creature (other than Niv) is 2 mana, each dual option card has a cheap and expensive option (and some of those are ramp). I could include something like Firemind Vessel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Firemind+Vessel) or Guild Globe (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Guild+Globe) to fit the theme, but I would only be cutting lands to do so!
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Good. Cut the bounce lands and any unconditionally tapped lands for ramp.
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Even with 39 lands in a five color deck you're going to want some ramp. Also, the Bouncelands (what you call swap lands) will slow you down tremendously as will the fact that 22 of your lands (to include the bouncelands) enter the battlefield tapped.
I understand you're trying to build a certain theme, and that's a cool theme, I'm just telling you that the deck as it currently stands has severe mana problems.
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https://deckstats.net/decks/86132/1303784-sliver-hulk
This is a solid 5c manabase and ramp. You can tune the various duals depending on which colors your deck leans on more, Sliver Hulk happens to be mainly BUG.
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Ok, thanks for the input, I'll give it some more work.
I haven't played much since Innistrad (about 2012) so I'm a bit behind on the meta!
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The Shocklands would fit the guild theme for your deck and can come in untapped at the cost of two life. They're a better option than the bouncelands.
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I'm very aware of shocklands, but also very aware of the pricetag too!
Shocklands would take this deck from costing ~£30 to over £100 easily, and it was never intended to be super competitive. I can cut the bouncelands for 1x each of the Basic lands, Firemind Vessel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Firemind+Vessel) and Guild Globe (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Guild+Globe), but not sure what else. I'll have to do some looking around for suitable ramp to fill those last 3 slots.
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Mine is definitely my Teysa Aristocrats deck.
https://deckstats.net/decks/113264/1206082-church-of-value-teysa-orzhov-s
Orzhov was my first love when I started playing magic, and I knew building an orzhov aristocrats deck would be hard, since they get almost no ramp and no draw.
However I love the flavor of the orzhov guild, I love Teysa as a character and I love aristocrats as a strategy. I could totally make this deck competitive by going "full combo" with it, but that's not what I wanted out of this deck.
For my "competitive" deck I already have Lazav, so this time around I wanted a tuned deck, but not a deck that would feel unfair to my playgroup, and that's what I got.
I made this deck as optimal as I could while sticking to my strategy and theme, I added a lot of draw engines and ramp and mana rocks to hopefully make the deck faster than some other orzhov decks, however since orzhov doesn't really have access to counterspells, it is still possible for other players to answer my threats with removal.
Since aristocrats need a lot of elements to get going (sac fodder, sac outlets and payoffs) the deck isn't as consistent as my Lazav deck, but I love all the crazy interactions, synergies and value engines I can get going on when things line up.
The deck has a lot of my pet cards (smothering tithe (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Smothering+Tithe), reassembling skeleton (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reassembling+Skeleton)) , cards I had always wanted to play (Bitterblossom (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bitterblossom), Ophiomancer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ophiomancer)) and all in all is just a joy to pilot. It's a deck I'm always down to play, and this deck feels like my baby, I'm very proud of it.
(I'm also proud of my Lazav deck but just pulling out this deck with my playgroup usually makes me archenemy lol, and while I enjoy seeing all the other players spending all their ressources to stop me, sometimes I want to actually be able to play my deck and Teysa allows me to do that).
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Just a note Soren841 : linking a deck with a 7k pricetag as an example isn't very helpful ;D
Edit: oof, having all my comments downvoted, I assume because of this post. Sorry I don't have hundreds of pounds to splash on lands I guess?
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I only downvoted that one. Any other downvotes were not me.
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No worries then, it's just someone with an itchy finger and a chip on the shoulder. I didn't downvote you by the way, just thought your example was hilariously out of my league.
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Indeed. I would love to be able to throw some 5k at magic as a hobby but alas, I need to pay for food and live somewhere, too! Usually I prioritize repairing my car over Magic, so it's weird to see people recommending really expensive alternatives. How is it hard to look at a deck and give advice within the price range? If you see some deck isn't running the original duals then it's probably best not to suggest them in the first place...
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I'm very aware of shocklands, but also very aware of the pricetag too!
Shocklands would take this deck from costing ~£30 to over £100 easily, and it was never intended to be super competitive. I can cut the bouncelands for 1x each of the Basic lands, Firemind Vessel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Firemind+Vessel) and Guild Globe (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Guild+Globe), but not sure what else. I'll have to do some looking around for suitable ramp to fill those last 3 slots.
If you're going to invest in the deck, the mana base is where you start. Shock (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shock) lands are a great investment because they maintain their price. Perhaps try the pain lands like caves of kilos or check lands like glacial fortress (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glacial+Fortress).
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ABURs are good because their price constantly increases and will never go down :)
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ABURs are bad because their price constantly increases and will never go down
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Good investment, plus u don't have to worry about "oh is it a bad time to buy them?" Because they're always as low as they'll ever be again.
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ABURs are good because their price constantly increases and will never go down :)
There are plenty of things that are a good investment, but you need the upfront capital to buy them.
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I'll probably swap out lands as I go, I have a Godless Shrine (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Godless+Shrine) in my Orzhov deck that I can replace the B/W Bounce Land with when I need to, and a spare Sunpetal Grove (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sunpetal+Grove) that will replace the W/G one. But adding them one-by-one as I get lucky with boosters or occasionally include them in a standard deck that I buy. 10 Shock (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shock) lands at £10-15 each is a high barrier to entry for what is supposed to be a more casual format (and one that I'll be playing less often). Either way, I did discover Pillar of the Paruns (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pillar+of+the+Paruns) today, which is a perfect fit for the deck, and only £1.50! So that's going to slide right in :)
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The checklands from the cycle that includes Sunpetal Grove (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sunpetal+Grove) would be a reasonably priced alternative while you're in the process of switching over.
The only problem with Pillar of the Paruns (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pillar+of+the+Paruns) is you won't be able to tap it to pay for the Guildmage's abilities. Nice find though.
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Just copy and paste the URL from the deckstats deck link. It will automatically populate. Out of curiousity, why GrimGrin as the Commander and not Phenax, God of Deception (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Phenax%2C+God+of+Deception) with GrimGrin as one of the 99?
https://deckstats.net/decks/127587/1238135-grimgrin-millstone-born/en
I went with Grimgrin because I wasn't looking for a straight up mill strategy but a zombie tribal one and just use mill as an alternative win con. The deck still usually wins by overrunning with buffed zombies, sac'ing Gravecrawler (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Gravecrawler) to Phyrexian Altar (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Phyrexian+Altar) with Vengeful Dead (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vengeful+Dead) in play or recurring Gray Merchant of Asphodel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Gray+Merchant+of+Asphodel) to drain the table.
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I started playing in Jr. High when Torment (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Torment) (The set, not the card) first came out. Back then I came across an old version of Clone (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Clone) and I loved copying my opponent's most interesting creatures. Fast forward to 2 years ago when my younger cousins got me back into Magic and introduced me to EDH.
The first deck I built was a deck whose sole purpose is to take away my opponent's creatures or make copies of them. I chose Kess, Dissident Mage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Kess%2C+Dissident+Mage) as my commander because of her colors, and the ability to replay sorceries and instants from my graveyard.
There's 5 of us that play, so we do a lot of free-for-all (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Free-for-All), and I end up winning a good chunk of the games because I usually end up stealing all of their commanders. My deck isn't unbeatable though, and it's mostly just annoying, but I still love using it whether I win or lose (But I prefer to win so I added Blasting Station (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Blasting+Station), Iridescent Drake (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Iridescent+Drake), and False Demise (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=False+Demise) infinite combo, or the Deceiver Exarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Deceiver+Exarch), Splinter Twin (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Splinter+Twin) infinite combo).
I also like it because, while the main strategy is to take control or copy other creatures or spells, those cards have their own unique abilities that allow me to try someone new every game, and get to play with cards that aren't part of my collection.
https://deckstats.net/decks/93341/812928-kess-control/en
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Editcruz Spark Double (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Spark+Double) from WotS would fit nicely, as well as Switcheroo (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Switcheroo) Connive // Concoct (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Connive+%2F%2F+Concoct) In Bolas's Clutches (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=In+Bolas%27s+Clutches) Metamorphic Alteration (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Metamorphic+Alteration) Narset's Reversal (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Narset%27s+Reversal) (if you want to copy their spells as well, or target your own spell to use a second time!) Doublecast (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doublecast) (to get more mileage out of a good steal card) Entrancing Melody (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Entrancing+Melody) and Mass Manipulation (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mass+Manipulation) All of those are current, so should mostly be very affordable.
I made a similar Standard format deck on Arena, but focused a little more on sacrifice plays. It's a fun deck, but not crazy powerful.
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Thank you Dieselite,
I have Spark Double (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Spark+Double) in a pre-release deck I built but will be transferring it over soon. I've also added a card or two and haven't updated my decklist, but you bring up some good choices. I might add some copy spells cards so it's not just creatures I'm taking.
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Apologies if I'm a little late to the party, but this was a really interesting thread and I felt compelled to share.
For me, it's all about Yahenni. Man, do I love this deck.
It's not the best deck in the world, but it's got everything I love. Being able to sacrifice my own creatures for profit (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Profit) at instant speed is just the best. And an indestructible commander as a result. I love it.
When I'm sat playing this deck, I'm excited to play the cards when it's my turn, and when it's not, I'm happy just looking at all the sweet, macarbe, creepy art that black magic cards are known for.
It's missing some of the pricier mono black staples because I'm a super casual player, but big black magic is what I love.
https://deckstats.net/decks/132604/1331854-yahenni-all-my-friends-are-dea/en
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Is it okay to have more than one pet deck? Cause I have a few I prefer over the others.
First: Ramos Cascade. Always super fun to play, and with the randomness of cascade and Possibility Storm (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Possibility+Storm) (my favorite card) it's a different game every time. Unfortunately sometimes it runs out of gas before I can get my wincons out and I lose to an agro deck.
Second: Breya Eggs. I love combos and artifacts have some great ones. Pia's revolution (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pia%27s+Revolution) is one of my moneymakers, plus Mishra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mishra)/Possiblity storm (I'm seeing a pattern here). There's so much recursion in the deck too in case people opt (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Opt) to take the damage from Rev, my graveyard rarely has any artifacts in it. So much good stuff I rarely cast Breya. But like with Ramos, unless I have a draw engine I run out of gas and start topdecking.
Third: Shadow. An obscure mechanic that shouldn't work, since while I can attack freely, I'm completely defenseless. This is the deck that's gone through the most changes. it started out as Mardu Alesha, then I added blue with Tymna/Ludevic, and now it's Oloro. I've been toying with adding green (Tymna/Kydele). It's like a weenie equipment deck with lots of combat damage triggers.
Those are my top three. An argument could be made for more.
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Apologies if I'm a little late to the party, but this was a really interesting thread and I felt compelled to share.
For me, it's all about Yahenni. Man, do I love this deck.
https://deckstats.net/decks/132604/1331854-yahenni-all-my-friends-are-dea/en
I use to have a Yahenni deck that I loved. Had the whole thing foiled out, then out of the blue one day my love for another took deck over.
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Apologies if I'm a little late to the party, but this was a really interesting thread and I felt compelled to share.
For me, it's all about Yahenni. Man, do I love this deck.
https://deckstats.net/decks/132604/1331854-yahenni-all-my-friends-are-dea/en
I use to have a Yahenni deck that I loved. Had the whole thing foiled out, then out of the blue one day my love for another took deck over.
Yea it happens. There's always a flavour of the month deck that I like playing, but somehow I always come back to this one. What deck took over for you out of interest?
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Sidisi, Brood Tyrant (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sidisi%2C+Brood+Tyrant). Not sure why, I'd had the deck for a while (it had even been retired and brought back (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Brought+Back)) but one day I just found myself spending all the time and $$$ on it that I use to spend on Yahenni. I've switched it around a few times. Started out as a zombie build, then went to a much more competitive build, and is now back to zombie tribal (that's the way it's the most fun to play IMO).
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Well Sidisi is great. Who doesn't love graveyard value and making a load of 2/2 zombies?
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Who doesn't love graveyard value and making a load of 2/2 zombies?
Anafenza, the Foremost (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Anafenza%2C+the+Foremost)?
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Who doesn't love graveyard value and making a load of 2/2 zombies?
Anafenza, the Foremost (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Anafenza%2C+the+Foremost)?
You got me there
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Who doesn't love graveyard value and making a load of 2/2 zombies?
Anafenza, the Foremost (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Anafenza%2C+the+Foremost)?
Luckily none of the people in my playgroup have remembered Anafenza exists... 8) Even though we do play a little more high powered commanders, that would suck to play against.
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Who doesn't love graveyard value and making a load of 2/2 zombies?
Anafenza, the Foremost (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Anafenza%2C+the+Foremost)?
Luckily none of the people in my playgroup have remembered Anafenza exists... 8) Even though we do play a little more high powered commanders, that would suck to play against.
Yea I know what you mean. Anafenza would shut down pretty much all of my favourite decks. I'm a man who loves his graveyard. Yahenni, Tasigur, Teshar, Scarab God, Lord of Tresserhorn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lord+of+Tresserhorn), Mimeoplasm, Muldrotha. All love the graveyard. They'd all be absolutely shanked. Better hope my friends continue to ignore her.
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Yea, most of the ones I play anymore are graveyard. Though I am thinking of building Anafenza now. 8)
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As soon as Anafenza, the Foremost (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Anafenza%2C+the+Foremost) came out, I bought her just to build around her. Of course, I didn't build her as evilky as I could have...
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I only love this deck as much as i do because my playgroup hates it the most out of all my decks and i dont play to win I play to be the most hated person at the table.
https://deckstats.net/decks/117870/1120133-ramos-land-destruction