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Title: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on June 23, 2019, 06:16:09 pm
We have two new moderators, and the forums are more active than they've ever been. Time to make some changes. If anybody has any suggestions on improving this site, let's hear it. Anything at all.

I'll start.

I know one thing I've heard a lot of complaints about is the look of Deckstats. Not so much the forum layout, but more-so the spoilers for cards.


(https://i.imgur.com/ZjFlQj7.jpg)

You can see that some of the cards are cropped, and some of them aren't. Some cards also have the text blurred out. It also seems to be like this for newer cards but not older cards. It's possible that this could be fixed by taking the images from Scryfall instead of mtg-forum.de
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 29, 2019, 07:08:20 pm
I would like to be able to fit more quotes of people saying I'm awesome in my signature line. The main problem I have is that the BBC code for quoting someone counts a lot toward that limit. Is there a way no not count that stuff?

Okay so for example:

{quote}
Hello world
{/quote}

Takes up 29 characters, but it would be great if it only counted the characters in Hello world.

Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: entropize on June 29, 2019, 09:04:11 pm
My suggestion would be able to see the visual images of upcoming sets. For example, in addition to the list of cards coming out in say M20 to have the option to see the image of the card. For the ones without an image already uploaded, to have an unknown image with its ability if it has one. Perhaps a visual tab for the sets as an option
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Varatius on June 30, 2019, 12:37:29 am
I'd like if you could put like a card price tracker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tracker) with charts showing price trends.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on June 30, 2019, 12:51:12 am
I'd like if you could put like a card price tracker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Tracker) with charts showing price trends.

This seems like a little much for a deck-building/forum site. MTGStocks (https://www.mtgstocks.com/) already exists.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Shredwick on June 30, 2019, 03:49:26 pm
Is this just for the forums or for the deckbuilder or both?

I have no issues with the forums, but I have a few suggestions for the deckbuilder:

The ability to filter cards by color identity, not just color.  And to be able to filter multicolored cards by their actual colors, not just by that their multicolored, i.e. searching for only BW cards.  on the flip side, being able to filter cards excluding a certain color, i.e., filter out cards with white and/or blue in their color/identity.

The ability to filter with more than just one set.  Say I want to pull up all the shocks, or the checks.  the first requires at least two sets (guilds and allegiance), same with the other (dom and ixalan).

The ability to filter with keywords.  i.e., contains "exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Exile) target creature" (exact phrase), or contains the words "whenever enters battlefield."

The ability to filter supertypes and subtypes.  i.e., able to search only creatures that are Legendary and have the Warrior subtype.

that's all I have on the top of my head for now.

Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Soren841 on June 30, 2019, 03:56:31 pm
You can do all of that except the filter by multiple sets.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Shredwick on June 30, 2019, 04:19:05 pm
Well then I'm dumb and can't figure it out
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Soren841 on June 30, 2019, 04:19:51 pm
I'll upload screenshots when I get on my PC.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Soren841 on June 30, 2019, 04:47:48 pm
You can just type words into the search bar and it'll search cards with those words. It just filters the cards with those words in their NAMES to be first. For example if you search "destroy," it'll find all the cards with the word destroy in their name, put them first, and then filter all the cards with the word destroy in their text after those.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Tomguta on July 09, 2019, 07:22:19 pm
Hi,

would it be possible to add more keyboard shortcuts while working with collections?
- to focus on the Search card input field (I need to use mouse to refocus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Refocus), which is a bit annoying)
- to show the edition selection for the last added card to the collection
- to add +1/-1 to the last added card (I know, enter works, but not when the focus is lost).

Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: burn your face on July 09, 2019, 08:38:25 pm
This is a very small thing and I'm not sure if I just can't figure it out.

When I used to post a deck on the forum, it would categorize the cards on the forum how I told the deckbuilder to categorize them (I.e. color, card type, ext...). Now when I post a deck to the forum, I doesn't categorize the cards in the deck at all.

I just find this kind of irritating because I find it overwhelming to look at a decklist and have to categorize the threats, lands, spells and stuff in my head.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Ginso on July 11, 2019, 10:19:56 am
I would like to search for decks that only contain cards currently allowed.
It would be enough if i can limit it to decks that only contain cards of certain expansions
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: pigpill on July 20, 2019, 05:43:39 pm
Love the site so far. Two suggestions I thought of.

1. Feature for subsections on the maybe board. I want to categorize my maybe board and allow others to see the thought process behind the maybe board.

2. When building the deck, allow column customization.  An example is that I build a lot of budget decks, so I would love to see the price column right in my deck building to help me decide if one card is worth the extra money vs another.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on July 23, 2019, 12:53:29 am
Hi,
No need to say I love the website and I sincerily think you guys are doing a great job.
Nonetheless, I have 3 feature requests:
As a side note, I'm Italian and I've noticed throughout the website that some translations to my language are incorrect or missing.
For instance, in the deck page, the tab "Details" is not translated and the tab "Charts" is rendered as "Classifiche", which is clearly incorrect.
"Classifiche" means "Charts" when talking about music charts and stuff like that, here the correct translation would be: "Statistiche".
I could volunteer to fill the gaps if you tell me how to do that.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: WizardSpartan on July 23, 2019, 01:39:11 am
When I print out text proxies of 2 faced cards or cards with a lot of text, it will just continue printing the text over the text of the card beneath it. For 1 sided cards with a lot of text, I would like for the font to automatically shrink (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shrink) to fit the borders of the card. For 2 sided cards, I would like a toggle for printing the back face, or the back face printed on a separate sheet of paper, so I can cut both sides out and stick them into 1 sleeve. The way it is set up now is messy and hard to understand (no offense). Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on July 23, 2019, 01:46:34 am
I'd like to be able to format the text in the deck description (using BBCode, HTML, RTF, you choose), for instance like in tappedout.net.
This could be very useful if people ever want to write some kind of primer about their deck or such, and I think it will benefit the website in general.

Deckstats does use BBCode, although I've noticed that the buttons at the top don't always work, so I've had to resort to manually typing out the BBCode.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on July 23, 2019, 08:12:18 am
I'd like to be able to format the text in the deck description (using BBCode, HTML, RTF, you choose), for instance like in tappedout.net.
This could be very useful if people ever want to write some kind of primer about their deck or such, and I think it will benefit the website in general.

Deckstats does use BBCode, although I've noticed that the buttons at the top don't always work, so I've had to resort to manually typing out the BBCode.
I'm not talking about the forum, I'm talking about de deck description in the "Overview" tab of the deck page.
In the deck description, BBCode doesn't work, HTML doesn't work. The deck description is text-only, I've checked.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: paulusdeboself on July 25, 2019, 09:31:21 am
I can't find the 'new topic button, but I think this topic suits as well.

I can't find decks with Kethis, the hidden hand (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand) as a commander via the search function. I wanted to find other elves legend decks with him as a commander but the results are empty: https://deckstats.net/decks/search/?lng=en&search_title=&search_format=10&search_season=0&search_cards_commander%5B%5D=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand&search_price_min=&search_price_max=&search_number_cards_main=&search_number_cards_sideboard=&search_cards%5B%5D=&search_tags=&search_age_max_days=0&search_age_max_days_custom=&search_order=updated%2Cdesc&utf8=%E2%9C%94
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Judaspriester on July 25, 2019, 09:59:20 am
I can't find the 'new topic button, but I think this topic suits as well.

I can't find decks with Kethis, the hidden hand (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand) as a commander via the search function. I wanted to find other elves legend decks with him as a commander but the results are empty: https://deckstats.net/decks/search/?lng=en&search_title=&search_format=10&search_season=0&search_cards_commander%5B%5D=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand&search_price_min=&search_price_max=&search_number_cards_main=&search_number_cards_sideboard=&search_cards%5B%5D=&search_tags=&search_age_max_days=0&search_age_max_days_custom=&search_order=updated%2Cdesc&utf8=%E2%9C%94

I can confirm the problem. With Kenthis as commander, nothing's found. If I just search for EDH Decks with "Kenthis" in title, I'll find some. Maybe caused by the comma in the name?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: easyy on July 25, 2019, 02:16:46 pm
so I'm not sure what any suggested so far but things I think would be great just for deck building itself.


Search Page:
1. Removing everything on the left side of the page besides the Search Box. Direct Entry Box and Intro to Our Deckbuilder box. (allows for more cards on the page)
2. Making it so that thumbnails pop up and you can hover over to see a bigger picture if you want.
3. Possibly moving the Navigation Bar to the bottom of the page. Again helping fit More on the page for search and building features
4. Right side of the page could be narrower so that you can make the left side bigger a bit, since the left side doesn't need all the images and is only text



honestly you guys are the closest thing to amazing for Deckbuilding. I love your interface and setup more than any other one I've used. These are just the few things I would love to see personally .
Keep up the good work, your stuff is awesome.
 
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: 12raybone on July 25, 2019, 04:21:52 pm
When viewing a deck, be able to put things to a cart from a company that is not US based such as ChaosCards for the UK.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: paulusdeboself on August 03, 2019, 04:23:21 pm
I can't find the 'new topic button, but I think this topic suits as well.

I can't find decks with Kethis, the hidden hand (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand) as a commander via the search function. I wanted to find other elves legend decks with him as a commander but the results are empty: https://deckstats.net/decks/search/?lng=en&search_title=&search_format=10&search_season=0&search_cards_commander%5B%5D=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand&search_price_min=&search_price_max=&search_number_cards_main=&search_number_cards_sideboard=&search_cards%5B%5D=&search_tags=&search_age_max_days=0&search_age_max_days_custom=&search_order=updated%2Cdesc&utf8=%E2%9C%94

I can confirm the problem. With Kenthis as commander, nothing's found. If I just search for EDH Decks with "Kenthis" in title, I'll find some. Maybe caused by the comma in the name?

I still can't find decks with Kethis as commander. I would like to make a topic about this, but I can't make topics (at least not in this forum) as far as i know. So feedback is that it's impossible to create a topic to report a bug.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 03, 2019, 06:20:31 pm
Thank you for all your suggestions! I am going through all of these, but a few quick things to note:

@paulusdeboself, @Judaspriester: The issue you reported with searching for some commanders has now been fixed: https://deckstats.net/decks/search/?lng=en&search_title=&search_format=10&search_season=0&search_cards_commander%5B%5D=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand&search_price_min=&search_price_max=&search_number_cards_main=&search_number_cards_sideboard=&search_cards%5B%5D=&search_tags=&search_age_max_days=0&search_age_max_days_custom=&search_order=updated%2Cdesc&utf8=%E2%9C%94

@easyy: I have made a lot of changes to the new deckbuilder over the last week, which should cover some of the things you mentioned. Please give it another try now!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: paulusdeboself on August 03, 2019, 08:03:37 pm
Thank you for all your suggestions! I am going through all of these, but a few quick things to note:

@paulusdeboself, @Judaspriester: The issue you reported with searching for some commanders has now been fixed: https://deckstats.net/decks/search/?lng=en&search_title=&search_format=10&search_season=0&search_cards_commander%5B%5D=Kethis%2C+the+Hidden+Hand&search_price_min=&search_price_max=&search_number_cards_main=&search_number_cards_sideboard=&search_cards%5B%5D=&search_tags=&search_age_max_days=0&search_age_max_days_custom=&search_order=updated%2Cdesc&utf8=%E2%9C%94

@easyy: I have made a lot of changes to the new deckbuilder over the last week, which should cover some of the things you mentioned. Please give it another try now!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 04, 2019, 12:08:34 pm
@crimsonking: Thank you for all your great suggestions. I have now implemented the first one, allowing you to override (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Override) which cards are counted as mana sources. Use source=XXX, where XXX can be any combination of mana symbols or * or {ANY} for any color. So for example you could set source=* for Reflecting Pool (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reflecting+Pool) and source=C for Phyrexian Tower (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Phyrexian+Tower).
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 04, 2019, 03:55:24 pm
@crimsonking: Thank you for all your great suggestions. I have now implemented the first one, allowing you to override (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Override) which cards are counted as mana sources. Use source=XXX, where XXX can be any combination of mana symbols or * or {ANY} for any color. So for example you could set source=* for Reflecting Pool (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reflecting+Pool) and source=C for Phyrexian Tower (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Phyrexian+Tower).
Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 04, 2019, 04:21:07 pm
One quick question: how do I force a land to not to produce mana (like Maze of Ith (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Maze+of+Ith))?
This has come to my mind because I realized I shouldn't count Cabal Coffers (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Cabal+Coffers) as a mana source.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 04, 2019, 04:53:20 pm
"source=" should work!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 04, 2019, 08:54:31 pm
As a side note, I've noticed that - unlike Reflecting Pool (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reflecting+Pool) - Exotic Orchard (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Exotic+Orchard) does count as "any color".
I came to the conclusion that's because Reflecting Pool (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reflecting+Pool) says "any type" instead of "any color" (that's because this way it can produce colorless mana too).
There are many cards with the same wording, Plaza of Harmony (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Plaza+of+Harmony) is among them and I suspect it has the same problem.
Don't know how much this is a bug or a feature, but I think the criteria used to determine "any color" lands should be extended.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 05, 2019, 12:20:22 am
Thank you for pointing this out. To be honest, I am not entirely sure how we should handle these types of cards. We could count all of them as "any" but then that is also not entirely correct. However, I think it's probably the simplest if I do that and then rely on people to use override (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Override) <source=X (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=X)> option if they think this is not appropriate.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 05, 2019, 08:53:45 am
I think if Exotic Orchard (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Exotic+Orchard) counts as an "any-color" land, Reflecting Pool (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Reflecting+Pool) should count as well. One would expect that.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 11, 2019, 04:43:15 pm
I have just made a whole bunch of changes to our "mana source detector"! It should now handle the edge cases you mentioned properly and also recognize fetch lands. Please give it a try and let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 12, 2019, 11:14:49 am
So, here are my considerations:
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 12, 2019, 11:55:02 am
As for the fetchlands, I actually think they should not count for mana statistics, at least not automatically.
I mean, I think the <source> tag is enough to allow the users to customize their mana-base evaluations.
Let me explain:
With the new algorithm, Verdant Catacombs (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Verdant+Catacombs) counts as Golgari while Prismatic Vista (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Prismatic+Vista) counts as an any-color land.
At first look this could be acceptable, but in fact it's false.
The problem is the fetchlands can grab duals while Prismatic Vista (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Prismatic+Vista) only gets basic lands.
For instance, everybody knows that in a tri-color deck, any in-color fetchland can get any dual, so they effectively count as any-color.
But if we're playing 5 colors things get more complicated.
Take this deck as an example:
https://deckstats.net/decks/54477/1203990-domain-cascade
Here Verdant Catacombs (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Verdant+Catacombs) can grab any dual, so it could count as an any-color.
The same is true for the other fetchlands aside from Scalding Tarn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Scalding+Tarn). In fact, Scalding Tarn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Scalding+Tarn) can't get white mana.
No need to say here Prismatic Vista (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Prismatic+Vista) would be terrible since it could only grab a Forest (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Forest) or a Swamp (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Swamp).
Fetchlands are very dependant on the decklist structure, that's why I'd let them out of automatic calculations.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 12, 2019, 12:45:36 pm
Hi again,
Now that I was thinking of it, I'd have another suggestion for a quick improvement.
In the "Revisions" tab of the deck page, please put the "Compare Revisions" button on top.
I have many decks with 50 or more revisions and each time I want to see the changes I've made, I have to scroll down for a while only to reach the button.
After all, most of times you're interested in the last changes (so everything is already set up, you just need to click the button) or in the most recent ones (which are visible on top of the page anyway), so the scrolling down is unnecessary.
Moreover, why not just compare the last two last revisions straight away and leave the option to change them later (for instance through an expandable box)?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 12, 2019, 11:37:34 pm
Thank you very much for your detailed analysis crimsonking! I have gone through and fixed some of the more obvious bugs you found, such as Urza's Mine (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Urza%27s+Mine) counting as three mana (it's now counted as two), Murmuring Bosk (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Murmuring+Bosk) only being counted as green, and mana being wrongly added together for cards like Ebon Stronghold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ebon+Stronghold) and Crystal Vein (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Crystal+Vein).

However, there are still some more edge cases that will require some additional coding/thinking.

I actually used to calculate the mean numbers for each land, accounting for the different mana each land could produce. So for example Ebon Stronghold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ebon+Stronghold) would be 1/2 + 2/2 = 1.5 black and Twilight Mire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Twilight+Mire) would be 1/7 colorless, 3/7 black and 3/7 green. However I ended up changing that because it also seemed to lead to even more confusion.

I do agree that the way we are counting things right now is also not 100% right though. Will need to look into this some more.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Nils on August 12, 2019, 11:38:22 pm
PS: I have just moved up the compare revisions button, good suggestion!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: crimsonking on August 13, 2019, 02:06:48 am
In my opinion, the algorithm should be more or less (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=More+or+Less) like this:
Some more examples to better explain my idea:
Title: Re: Suggestions for Improving Deckstats?
Post by: Rikus on August 16, 2019, 09:47:12 pm
I was trying to filter by multiple sets, but perhaps I'm missing something.  Would it be possible to add multi-set filtering, and if not, could a set be created that included rotation safe sets?  Looks like there's a ton of set options to select, one called 2019 Rotation Safe Set, which include all cards from last four sets would be very nice.  And then when Throne of Eldraine is released a new 2020 Rotation set could be started, and updated as next three sets are released.  Or if not added as a set, perhaps as a format Standard-RS (Rotation Safe/Proof)?

Edit:  NVM, I found it.  Didn't notice a new box appeared after selecting (Enter Set Codes) form the set drop down list.