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Title: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on January 12, 2020, 07:03:30 pm
I have just made some changes to our price database to improve the completeness and accuracy of our card prices.

In particular, we should now have better TCGPlayer prices for all the different versions of cards, including most promos, tokens, etc. We are also now showing the TCGPlayer "market price" where available, which should be a more accurate than the previous median prices were.

I have also fixed a few missing prices from our other price sources, such as Card Kingdom, Cardhoarder and Cardmarket.

If you have previously noticed some cards that were not being priced correctly, please have another look at them now and let me know if they have improved.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: iforgot120 on January 15, 2020, 01:40:16 am
Why is there sometimes a big difference in the shown deck price when sorting the folder a deck is in by price and when looking at the in detail view?
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: jarnatan on January 15, 2020, 04:13:51 pm
I would like (either as a replacement or as an option) to be able to see Cardmarket trend prices rather than Cardmarket low, as that is more likely to reflect what I will actually end up paying for the cards when all is said and done, and is generally what people who use Cardmarket use as their baseline when trading cards between them the old-fashioned way.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: grymure on January 15, 2020, 05:59:40 pm
some prices makes no sense since it checks for the art cards instead of the real card in modern horizon
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on January 15, 2020, 09:18:20 pm
Why is there sometimes a big difference in the shown deck price when sorting the folder a deck is in by price and when looking at the in detail view?
The deck prices in the search are calculated assuming you are playing the most basic (cheapest) version of each card. The prices on the deck page may be higher if the author is playing cards from a more expensive set. So for example if someone has a deck with a promo in it, the price displayed in the search will be lower because it just uses the non-promo price, while the deck page will use the promo price.

Does this explain what you are seeing? If you are noticing discrepancies that are not fully explained by this please let me know.

some prices makes no sense since it checks for the art cards instead of the real card in modern horizon
Can you tell me an example or two so that I can check this?

I would like (either as a replacement or as an option) to be able to see Cardmarket trend prices rather than Cardmarket low, as that is more likely to reflect what I will actually end up paying for the cards when all is said and done, and is generally what people who use Cardmarket use as their baseline when trading cards between them the old-fashioned way.
Happy to go which whatever people prefer. I just made a quick poll here to see what the consensus is: https://deckstats.net/forum/index.php/topic,51896.0.html
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: iforgot120 on January 15, 2020, 09:29:55 pm
Why is there sometimes a big difference in the shown deck price when sorting the folder a deck is in by price and when looking at the in detail view?
The deck prices in the search are calculated assuming you are playing the most basic (cheapest) version of each card. The prices on the deck page may be higher if the author is playing cards from a more expensive set. So for example if someone has a deck with a promo in it, the price displayed in the search will be lower because it just uses the non-promo price, while the deck page will use the promo price.

Does this explain what you are seeing? If you are noticing discrepancies that are not fully explained by this please let me know.

In the detail view for my Izzet Phoenix deck (https://deckstats.net/decks/127966/1271400-izzet-phoenix), it's showing the total price as $203.05; I haven't set any specific printings for any cards, so it should be choosing the cheapest printing for everything (if that's the default here, too). However, in the folder view, the price is showing as $174.28: https://imgur.com/dHC6xss

It'd be understandable if it was a small discrepancy that could be explained away by when the numbers were pulled, but that difference seems too large.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: mathgnome on January 17, 2020, 05:50:02 pm
Certain cards from Commander sets show the Card Kingdom price for the oversized foil versions, not the playable versions. (Ex. Estrid, the Masked (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Estrid%2C+the+Masked) and Saheeli, the Gifted (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Saheeli%2C+the+Gifted))
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on January 20, 2020, 07:53:06 pm
In the detail view for my Izzet Phoenix deck (https://deckstats.net/decks/127966/1271400-izzet-phoenix), it's showing the total price as $203.05; I haven't set any specific printings for any cards, so it should be choosing the cheapest printing for everything (if that's the default here, too). However, in the folder view, the price is showing as $174.28: https://imgur.com/dHC6xss

It'd be understandable if it was a small discrepancy that could be explained away by when the numbers were pulled, but that difference seems too large.
Thank you for the example, I'll have a look if I can improve things. At the moment the price shown on the deck page will always be the more reliable one.

Certain cards from Commander sets show the Card Kingdom price for the oversized foil versions, not the playable versions. (Ex. Estrid, the Masked (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Estrid%2C+the+Masked) and Saheeli, the Gifted (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Saheeli%2C+the+Gifted))
Will look into these as well, thanks!
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: TastyPastryCupcake on February 22, 2020, 11:40:20 pm
There appears to be an issue with the database. Roughly half of my cards (roughly 1,400 of 2,700 unique entries) are no longer fetching prices from tcgplayer. Is this issue exclusive to me, or is anyone else having this problem?
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: jacobh7458 on February 23, 2020, 03:24:36 am
There appears to be an issue with the database. Roughly half of my cards (roughly 1,400 of 2,700 unique entries) are no longer fetching prices from tcgplayer. Is this issue exclusive to me, or is anyone else having this problem?

Can confirm I am having the same problem. Lots of cards not grabbing prices from TCGplayer properly
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Vileo Sufora on February 23, 2020, 04:55:04 am
There appears to be an issue with the database. Roughly half of my cards (roughly 1,400 of 2,700 unique entries) are no longer fetching prices from tcgplayer. Is this issue exclusive to me, or is anyone else having this problem?

Can confirm I am having the same problem. Lots of cards not grabbing prices from TCGplayer properly
I came here to report this exact thing. Some examples I've noticed it on are Cryptic Command (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Cryptic+Command) and Entomb (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Entomb). I can provide more examples if needed. These kinds of cards in particular are causing there to be a big discrepancy with the deck I'm trying to price at the moment.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on February 23, 2020, 11:16:52 am
Thank you for reporting this.  I’m looking into getting it sorted ASAP. If you need US prices right now I would recommend looking at card kingdom pricing instead.

You can also click on the question marks to see the TCGPlayer card pages or click the button to add the whole deck to your cart to see the total price.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on February 24, 2020, 01:33:03 am
I'm sorry about the missing TCGPlayer prices. They are starting to come back now, with all prices being displayed again within the next 24h.

Update: TCG Player prices for all cards are now available again.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Aetherium Slinky on February 24, 2020, 12:34:10 pm
Hi Nils! Thank you for all the work you put in!
Looks like the trending prices are finally working; most of my budget builds are now showing more reasonable prices that probably reflect the actual purchase price were I to buy them. The most offended deck was an ultrabudget build that previously showed 3€ as the total price and now it's showing a more reasonable 25€. Again, thank you and I'm glad this works a lot better than before.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Soren841 on February 24, 2020, 01:21:01 pm
And Sliver Hulk is showing the proper $4407.84 price tag :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: grymure on April 22, 2020, 10:27:34 pm

Can you tell me an example or two so that I can check this?


https://deckstats.net/decks/141887/1433250-raksha-golden-minou/en#show__stats

sword of senew and stell as well as truth and justice (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Justice) and winds of abandon (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Winds+of+Abandon) are marked with a ? rather than having a price
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on April 22, 2020, 11:52:44 pm
Thanks grymure, that was very helpful.

I have now fixed a problem that had lead to missing prices for a small set of cards for Card Kingdom/Cardhoarder/Miracle Games, such as Sword of Sinew and Steel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Sword+of+Sinew+and+Steel).

In addition, we now also have printing-specific Card Kingdom prices available for most cards. This means that if a card was printed twice in the same set (eg. as a normal card and as a promo) they will now both show the correct price.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Spinsane on April 23, 2020, 12:11:18 am
In addition, we now also have printing-specific Card Kingdom prices available for most cards. This means that if a card was printed twice in the same set (eg. as a normal card and as a promo) they will now both show the correct price.
I assume this doesn't take into consideration the Foil flag, does it? Or rather, it doesn't seem to as far as I can tell
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on April 23, 2020, 12:14:16 am
Correct, at the moment we don't have separate prices for foils. The only time you'll see a foil price is when there is no non-foil printing of the card. I have been working on this though, so we can hopefully add that soon.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: ekans_ on December 02, 2020, 07:37:11 am
Sadly I can't look up the total price of my sideboard :( Is there a way to add that?
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on December 02, 2020, 01:20:55 pm
It should show up on the details tab under the cards. Is that not working for you?
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: ekans_ on December 02, 2020, 02:00:54 pm
It should show up on the details tab under the cards. Is that not working for you?

not on my phone, somehow. on the pc it does work
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Slyvester12 on December 02, 2020, 02:28:21 pm
Did you click the "Toggle Details" button under the main list?
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: ekans_ on December 02, 2020, 03:54:09 pm
Did you click the "Toggle Details" button under the main list?

yep
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: WizardSpartan on December 02, 2020, 05:30:25 pm
I don't know if you are on Android OS, or iOS, but on my phone, there's the ability to toggle "Desktop Mode" on and off. When it's on, the webpage becomes like it would on your PC, which means that the price of the sideboard would show up (you may need to zoom in to read it, though).
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: ekans_ on December 02, 2020, 06:01:24 pm
I don't know if you are on Android OS, or iOS, but on my phone, there's the ability to toggle "Desktop Mode" on and off. When it's on, the webpage becomes like it would on your PC, which means that the price of the sideboard would show up (you may need to zoom in to read it, though).

Okay I found the problem. I had the setting that only cardmarket prices were shown on the details. But the sideboard price is probably provided by another platform, which I disabled as I was only buying cards on CM. Now I got them all toggled on in my settings and the price of the sideboard is shown.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: Nils on December 03, 2020, 09:47:21 pm
Thanks for pointing this out! I am working on refreshing the prices on the deck page a bit at the moment so this will hopefully get fixed soon.
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: ekans_ on December 03, 2020, 09:51:27 pm
Thanks for pointing this out! I am working on refreshing the prices on the deck page a bit at the moment so this will hopefully get fixed soon.

Alright! Thank you ^^
Title: Re: Improved Card Prices
Post by: kitteh0411 on December 25, 2020, 11:51:26 am
Hi Nils,

I've noticed that the price for Illuna, Apex of Wishes (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Illuna%2C+Apex+of+Wishes) (#379, Box Topper Artwork) is shown in my collection with a way to low price from cardmarket.
It's the same with full-art basic lands, which do cost more than ~0,04 € per card ;)

Are you linking the artworks or just the cards in general?

And by the way: I'm cataloging my collection for the insurance company and deckstats has been a great help so far.

Thanks and Merry Christmas  ;D