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Title: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on September 15, 2021, 05:55:06 am
Updated with latest revision



Looking for some feedback on this Omnath, Locus of Mana (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Omnath%2C+Locus+of+Mana) deck.  I really wanted to make a mono-colored deck, and this guy seems like a fun tank to swing with, or at least enable a few other shenanigans (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shenanigans).  I think I definitely have too much ramp, and not enough utility and creatures.  The Maybeboard has BALLOONED and would definitely appreciate some tips in thought process to cut, as well as recommendations. Thanks for the help!

Omnath, Locus of Mana (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=15#show_description)

Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: WWolfe on September 15, 2021, 10:48:25 am
The one thing that jumped out at me is playing Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge) in a deck with 13 other non-permanents. Ideally you want that card in a deck with 5 or less non-permanents other wise you have a high chance of paying 10 mana for it and not hitting but 1 or 2 permanents.
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on September 18, 2021, 04:35:35 am
That makes sense - I'm torn between adding more permanents vs the utility of the spells present.  Any thought on which way the deck makes sense to lean?
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 01, 2021, 07:09:47 pm


Revision 7 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=6)

Changed amounts:
-1 Giant Adephage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Giant+Adephage)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 01, 2021, 07:11:02 pm


Revision 8 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=7)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Silvos, Rogue Elemental (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Silvos%2C+Rogue+Elemental)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: Mynus on November 03, 2021, 05:31:34 pm
Took the time to look at it and my questions became irrelevant. So you still need to cut 16 cards it looks like, here are a few I would personally cut:
Well of Discovery (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Well+of+Discovery)
Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge)
Darksteel Colossus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Darksteel+Colossus)
Bind (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bind)
Loxodon Warhammer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Loxodon+Warhammer)
Illusionist's Bracers (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Illusionist%27s+Bracers)
Nylea, God of the Hunt (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nylea%2C+God+of+the+Hunt)
Platinum Angel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Platinum+Angel)

As you said, you can probably limit some of your ramp. I personally would eliminate (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Eliminate) some of the higher CMC ones.

You also have somewhere around 8 tutor effects; I personally try to avoid tutors because it feels like they lead to the exact same game every time, and it seems that you have enough of the same type of wincon/effects that the tutors aren't necessary.
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: fire5167 on November 03, 2021, 10:22:05 pm
I agree with the cuts that Mynus recommends. In addition:
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 07, 2021, 09:51:07 pm
Quote from: fire5167 on November 03, 2021, 10:22:05 pm
I agree with the cuts that Mynus recommends. In addition:
  • Personally, I don’t like Azusa, Lost but Seeking (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Azusa%2C+Lost+but+Seeking) in EDH if you aren't also playing Crucible of Worlds (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Crucible+of+Worlds) + fetches because by the time you cast Azusa, you won’t have many (if any) lands left in your hand to play.
  • Taunting Elf (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Taunting+Elf) seems straight up worse than Lure (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lure). The elf has summoning sickness so it can’t surprise your opponents like Lure (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lure). Lure (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lure) is extra mana but that shouldn’t be an issue in this deck.
  • It could just be me, but I feel like craterhoof underperforms here. There is no token generation so it probably won’t ever provide more than a +4/+4 anthem.
  • Add more card draw (at least 8 cards, trust me). You have many options in green. Winding Way (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Winding+Way), Lead the Stampede (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lead+the+Stampede), Guardian Project (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Guardian+Project), The Great Henge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Great+Henge), Toski (good with lure (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lure)), Oakhame Adversary (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Oakhame+Adversary), Harmonize (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Harmonize). Don’t play Well of Discovery (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Well+of+Discovery). That thing does not deserve a place in a $1000+ dollar deck.
  • As far as ramp goes, you should probably cut like 4-5 cards. You need carpet of flowers (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Carpet+of+Flowers), the best green ramp card of all time (I will debate you).
  • There is so little card draw that Allosaurus Rider (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Allosaurus+Rider) will be a feelsbad every time you pay its alternate cost. So swap it out with Dungrove Elder (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dungrove+Elder)

Carpet of flowers (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Carpet+of+Flowers) seems interesting, though I typically play 1v1 and sometimes with a third person, so worried depending on deck matchups there may be no islands.  But definitely seems interesting.
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 07, 2021, 09:55:01 pm
Almost done cutting.  Getting rid of doubling cube (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doubling+Cube) - hoping early harvest (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Early+Harvest) provides what I need - doubling cube (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doubling+Cube) needs a hefty amount of available mana to really work.

Revision 9 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=8)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Allosaurus Rider (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Allosaurus+Rider)
-1 Azusa, Lost but Seeking (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Azusa%2C+Lost+but+Seeking)
-1 Cavern of Souls (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Cavern+of+Souls)
-1 Craterhoof Behemoth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Craterhoof+Behemoth)
-1 Darksteel Colossus (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Darksteel+Colossus)
-1 Defense of the Heart (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Defense+of+the+Heart)
-1 Doubling Cube (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Doubling+Cube)
-1 Illusionist's Bracers (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Illusionist%27s+Bracers)
-1 Platinum Angel (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Platinum+Angel)
-1 Taunting Elf (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Taunting+Elf)
-1 Well of Discovery (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Well+of+Discovery)
+1 Dungrove Elder (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dungrove+Elder)
+1 Guardian Project (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Guardian+Project)
+1 Lure (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Lure)
+1 The Great Henge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Great+Henge)

Changed amounts:
-1 Forest (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Forest)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 08, 2021, 03:16:14 am
Removing Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge), though may try to find a way to keep it - it's saved my butt several times

Revision 10 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=9)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 12, 2021, 04:12:46 pm


Revision 11 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=10)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Nylea, God of the Hunt (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nylea%2C+God+of+the+Hunt)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 22, 2021, 04:12:39 am


Revision 12 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=11)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Gyre Sage (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Gyre+Sage)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 22, 2021, 04:48:01 am


Revision 13 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=12)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Crop Rotation (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Crop+Rotation)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 22, 2021, 04:48:40 am
Too pricey a card

Revision 14 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=13)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Kozilek%2C+Butcher+of+Truth)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on November 22, 2021, 04:52:34 am
Too pricey

Revision 15 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=14)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Finale of Devastation (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Finale+of+Devastation)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on December 20, 2021, 05:51:15 pm


Revision 17 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=16)

Added/removed cards:
-1 Dryad Arbor (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dryad+Arbor)
-1 Glacial Chasm (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glacial+Chasm)
-1 The Great Henge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Great+Henge)
-1 Wirewood Lodge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Wirewood+Lodge)
+1 Arachnogenesis (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Arachnogenesis)
+1 Earthcraft (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Earthcraft)
+1 Llanowar Reborn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Llanowar+Reborn)
+1 (SB) Ground Seal (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ground+Seal)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on December 20, 2021, 09:21:19 pm


Revision 23 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=22)

Added/removed cards:
+1 Song of the Dryads (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Song+of+the+Dryads)
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: Slyvester12 on December 21, 2021, 08:26:10 pm
I would strongly consider (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Consider) Greater Good (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Greater+Good) and other effects that make instant speed use of Omnath being large and having lots of mana available.

Also, I would replace cards like Creeping Mold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Creeping+Mold) that have strictly better alternatives.

You removed Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge), but with large amounts of mana, Genesis Wave (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Genesis+Wave) can be just as good or better.
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on December 22, 2021, 03:01:18 pm
Quote from: Slyvester12 on December 21, 2021, 08:26:10 pm
I would strongly consider (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Consider) Greater Good (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Greater+Good) and other effects that make instant speed use of Omnath being large and having lots of mana available.

Also, I would replace cards like Creeping Mold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Creeping+Mold) that have strictly better alternatives.

You removed Primal Surge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Primal+Surge), but with large amounts of mana, Genesis Wave (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Genesis+Wave) can be just as good or better.

Thanks for the advice!  I still have Genesis Wave (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Genesis+Wave) in which I like.  What would you replace Creeping Mold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Creeping+Mold) with?  Greater good (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Greater+Good) definitely seems like a good option, hadn't thought of it before.  The discarding worries me though since I don't have much that can bring stuff back from the graveyard if I lose anything valuable.

Any other tips on items to cut or bring in?  I miss having Earthcraft (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Earthcraft), city of solitude (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=City+of+Solitude) and ground seal (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ground+Seal).
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: Schau on December 22, 2021, 03:17:55 pm
Quote from: pendraggon87 on December 22, 2021, 03:01:18 pm
Greater good (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Greater+Good) definitely seems like a good option, hadn't thought of it before.  The discarding worries me though since I don't have much that can bring stuff back from the graveyard if I lose anything valuable.

Discarding generally isn't that much of a problem because you will be drawing more cards than you are discarding allowing you to net more cards and the cards that you discard will be worse than the ones you keep.
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: Slyvester12 on December 22, 2021, 03:54:24 pm
Creeping Mold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Creeping+Mold) hits lands, but unless somebody's running The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Tabernacle+at+Pendrell+Vale) in your meta, I would just run Nature's Claim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nature%27s+Claim) or Return to Nature (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Return+to+Nature).

I would also suggest leaning into either big green or voltron to tighten up your strategy. I wouldn't put cards like Champion of Lambholdt and Loxodon Warhammer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Loxodon+Warhammer) in the same deck.
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on December 22, 2021, 04:59:50 pm
Quote from: Slyvester12 on December 22, 2021, 03:54:24 pm
Creeping Mold (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Creeping+Mold) hits lands, but unless somebody's running The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Tabernacle+at+Pendrell+Vale) in your meta, I would just run Nature's Claim (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nature%27s+Claim) or Return to Nature (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Return+to+Nature).

I would also suggest leaning into either big green or voltron to tighten up your strategy. I wouldn't put cards like Champion of Lambholdt and Loxodon Warhammer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Loxodon+Warhammer) in the same deck.

Thanks for the tips!  I like the idea of going big, because I've found that strategies that solely rely on the commander are pretty tough to execute (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Execute) on.  I typically just play 1v1, and sometimes with 2 other people.  We aren't a super competitive group either.  I like the idea of being able to swing with Omnath and trample for funsies, and use strong crits like pathbreaker ibex (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Pathbreaker+Ibex) or siege behemoth (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Siege+Behemoth) to assist, but also feel more comfortable when there are alternate strategies assuming Omnath is not around
Title: Re: Advice needed - Omnath, Locus of Mana
Post by: pendraggon87 on December 29, 2021, 10:37:53 pm


Revision 24 (https://deckstats.net/decks/190077/2232555-omnath-locus-of-mana?revision=23)

Added/removed cards:
+1 Wirewood Lodge (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Wirewood+Lodge)