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Deck Reviews / Re: Just got back into magic, made a Token Deck need to Slim Down Please Help !

« on: February 21, 2013, 07:33:11 pm »

Too many Arbor Elves and Pilgrims maybe?

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Deck Reviews / Re: Just got back into magic, made a Token Deck need to Slim Down Please Help !

« on: February 21, 2013, 07:24:46 pm »

Ya, Gifts of Orzohva won't net you any tokens, but at half the cost it frees up mana to populate, and you could get it out a bit sooner.  And it will feel GREAT the first time you put lifelink on an 8/8 vigilance token (+16 life per round FTW!). You should probably go with it, especially if you have a copy or two.  Even though it's off-theme, it makes sense in your deck.  Like gforgregarious said in another thread, "stick to your theme, i.e. don't put control in an aggro build." But be willing to make concessions when there's synergy with your deck, and when the meta calls for it, being to exclusive can get you in trouble.

Okay cool! I was thinkin' of that exact combo too hehe and for cheap some flying and lifelink it could even make some early tokens even a centaur pretty nasty. 

And I forget to address the Qty2 Trostani's you asked about earlier.  Ya, she's pretty boss, but she taps to populate.  If you want more, put in a Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage.  She's costs more to populate, but if you've got the mana (you will with the right ramping) she can populate twice per turn.  Or take out a Garruk's Packleader for another Trostani, (notice that Garruk's Packleader + Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage = Trostani) but remember that Trostani is Legendary so you can only have 1 out at a time (read: 3 or 4 is too many when there are other cards that can do the same thing.)

Okay good to note, it would be rather crappy to get 2 in one game...kind of a waste of draw. Garruk's I feel is an amazing card but only under the perfect conditions after a few games I straight up just took them both out =/. Here's my current rendition. http://deckstats.net/decks/1071/2610-centaurs-rr/en

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Deck Reviews / Re: Just got back into magic, made a Token Deck need to Slim Down Please Help !

« on: February 21, 2013, 05:57:38 pm »

Wow man you are a boss  . I had no idea any of these cards were around haha! Awesome. Definitely did not notice that about Abundant Growth I was thinking it added an additional mana with its normal mana, and thinking the arbor elf could untap it haha...would be rather ridiculous I guess. Gift of Orzhova in gatecrash is pretty tempting too although maybe slightly off theme it would still work.  I will do some mulling over and show you guys the finished product. Thanks again for your help I'm super excited

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Deck Reviews / Re: Just got back into magic, made a Token Deck need to Slim Down Please Help !

« on: February 21, 2013, 12:34:35 am »

Took out all those cards and added a Growing Ranks. Unfortunately now tho I'm starting to see there is just not enough token production. Given that I think sundering growth would gimp this deck because of that problem unless I took out more cards. In this rendition there are only 12 Token creators (including thragtusk) in the entire deck. Also there is no way to deal with flying except for Oblivion Ring and Selesnya Charm.  This is why I was thinking Moonsilver Spear would be so great although I agree its rather expensive. Any suggestions on dealing with flyers also more token production???

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Deck Reviews / Re: Just got back into magic, made a Token Deck need to Slim Down Please Help !

« on: February 20, 2013, 09:29:02 pm »

If you want to go aggro, cut some of your more expensive stuff.  So far, your curve is pretty low, but maybe drop 2 or three of your CMC >= 4 creatures (Garruk's Packleader, Thragtusk, Trostani, Armada Worm, Giant Adephage)  Ultimatley it's up to you, but I'd keep Armada over Adephage, since Armada gives you the token no matter what, and 1 Garruk and 1 Trostani are probably enough. 

Ahh okay, that makes sense! Wouldn't 2 Trostani be a necessity? I know shes legendary but she just seems too good not to have a higher chance of bringing out.

Moonsilver Spear isn't a great match for this deck, it costs 8 to get it going, and your other enchantments would be better, and cheaper (i.e. Collective Blessing and Cathar's Crusade are where you should be putting that mana.)

I've been thinking about that too, the reason I went for Moonsilver Spear is I really have no ways of dealing with flying units. I find I lose to flying (usually) or a ton of control spells or both. It's a gap I'm really having trouble filling. 1/1 Flying tokens just seem so underwhelming, I find populate is much much stronger when you're populating higher powered tokens (kind of obvious statement I guess lol). Entreat the Angels( a little pricey for my tastes though) seems amazing to take its place. Is there even an effective way to deal with flying units with a white/green deck???

Keep in mind that your goal is to overwhelm with numbers, not survive long enough to drop a bomb.  Consider ditching an Akroma's Memorial for another Growing Ranks (and just populate the crap out of your grove of the guardian tokens.)

Sundering Growth is a great removal spell if your opponents tend to have artifacts or enchantments that give you trouble.  Also consider Awakening Zone, and maybe a little more ramp to help you get to the heavy-hitters faster (good choice on the Arbor Elf though.)

Awesome idea I like it . Yeah I actually haven't gotten a Akroma's yet, it just seems like it'd be amazing. I've found Sundering Growth to be too situational cause there has to be an enchantment or artifact out for it to do anything. Although I'm sure against some decks its a must have for sure. Awakening Zone seems really cool, haven't seen that card until just now! Is it overkill to have 4 Arbors, 4 Abundant Growths, and also Awakening Zone though?? I guess I do have a fair amount of mana dumps. Is there a max number of ramp ups youre supposed to have or skys the limit??

Also, Wayfaring Temple is a good card on paper, but I've found it underwhelming in practice.  It's either too small, so I can't get it through for the populate, or end up chump blocking with it, or is big enough that I'd win the game even without it.  i.e., early game, it's not enough, and late game it's irrelevant.  There's a small time mid-game where it shines, but so far I've never really hit that zone, it's smaller than I thought.  Again, it will play differently in your deck and against your friends, but I've been disappointed with it.

Hope that helps!

Honestly I never realized it but you're so right here. Now that I think about it everytime I get out Wayfaring Temple its usually killed off or I win before it even populates lol. I keep thinking of it as an early or early mid game card where it usually is too weak to do anything. Precinct Captain seems decent I guess. Any ideas on what creature or token could fill this void?

Thanks very much for your insight. You've helped get me thinking about it differently !

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Deck Reviews / Just got back into magic, made a Token Deck need to Slim Down Please Help !

« on: February 20, 2013, 05:30:05 pm »

I'm trying to put together a faster more "aggro" (as you guys call it I think?) deck of Green/White Selesnya theme. I'm really torn on all these cards and am having a hard time figuring out what to cut to get to 60 cards.  I've been having a lot of trouble with my friends Gruul deck, my creatures just get picked off by pit fights and burns (note I don't have a lot of these cards yet so this may tip the scales). My goal is to have an army out quickly and populate it as much as possible. Hopefully keep my opponent on his toes before I can get out an Akroma's Memorial or one of my high cost Creatures. Let me know if theres any cards that would be better to add too, thanks guys 

Link: http://deckstats.net/decks/1071/4598-revision-1-5-token-deck