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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: July 17, 2018, 04:02:39 pm »

Swapping in 2 aethersphere harvester for ammit and 2 unlicensed dis. for supernatural stamina I've found works well.  More damage in the air, some life gain to help hold out until the combo, more artifacts to work with unlicensed.  Still the meat of the sac outlets (instigator, motivator, dusk legion) are all vulnerable to chainwirler... unfortunately that is the standard landscape right now.  I think other than that the deck has performed well despite being fringe, seeing the shock on an opponent when you drop 17 damage all at once or 20 makes it all worth it.  The best is that even against life gain torgaar resets them back to 10!

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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: July 16, 2018, 06:11:47 pm »

I'm surprised you weren't able to pull off the combo though. Was it disrupted or just you didn't pull both thud and Torgaar?

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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: July 15, 2018, 12:56:52 am »

Hey, not bad.  I had slightly better luck and went 3-1 at my FNM.  Not all of my games were vs tier 1 decks however.  Chainwirler is a killer though, it sucks that it's so prevalent atm.  I've had the same debate about thud vs fling.  1 mana is the difference between a T3 play but I also recognize that you need a pretty much perfect hand to make that happen.  In the previous build's I ran fling.  Rekindling Pheonix could be a good call to replace Ammit.. if the opponent casts a lot of spells he can really get crushed.  If you play him on T3 with a motivator hes amazing or if you need 3 damage and he's on the board he can be a finisher, other than that though he can get punished fast if our opponent cast 2-3 spells.

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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: July 13, 2018, 09:08:53 pm »

@Absolumx >>> brought in scrapheap.. it makes sense.  if you sac to torgaar you can easily bring back as you'll have more creature fuel in your graveyard.  if you go alt beatdown route hes great and if you have an extra copy of thud he's a 3 point damage finisher.  Good synergy with unlicensed, aethersphere.  Only drawback is losing some digging.  Thanks!

Here's an ideal alt play line with scrapheap.  Creatures attacking with haste each turn.
T1 - Goblin Motivator
T2 - Scrapheap (-3) = opponent 17
T3 - Ammit Eternal (-5) (-3) = opponent 9
T4  - Demon of Catastrophes (-6) (-5) (-3) = opponent -5

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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: July 13, 2018, 04:38:57 pm »

@Absolumx
Okay I made 2 more changes.  (Considering the Scrounger) : Unlicensed Disintegration for Murder.  Aethersphere for Chainwirler. 

Unlic. will add yet another burn finisher on top of the kill spell.  That is perfect for this deck.  I was contemplating removing the chainwirler earlier, getting 3 red mana could on its own be a big hindrance.  I replaced them for the Aethersphere's.  I used to play 2 Aether' in the prior Fling build.

I've considered using scrapheap in the past and the reason why I haven't is because in the 2 drop slot Seekers and Dusk both provide important digging to find our big threats or that Thud.  In testing having 1-2 extra card draws has been the difference between a T4 Torgaar and a T6. 
I'm going to think about it more, 2-3 might be the right call with the recent M19 changes to the deck (It's become a lot more powerful with the alt win cons). With that said the deck probably doesn't need 4 Bookcases.  The only area where I think scrapheap kind of lacks in this deck is that we don't really need to attack in the first turns because a Torgaar will negate damage.  Of course if we aren't pulling Torgaar for some reason then going the beatdown route of Goblin Motivator > Scrapheap > Ammit > Demon could be a really powerful line of play.

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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: July 11, 2018, 10:46:37 pm »

@absolumx Good call, I completely forgot about Supernatural Stamina.  The Liliana makes a lot of sense.   I made both changes, thanks!

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Deck Comments / Re: Torgaar Fling (Torgaar Burn) - Comments

« on: May 23, 2018, 11:04:59 pm »

@nifty129 Thank you!  Yeah pretty much.  You're only other way is to use Ammit or harvester to get in damage and protect until you get the Torgaar.  If you have a bloodlust you could T3 swing for 5 with Ammit.  Or use Harvesters energy to get a few life back. 

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Deck Comments / Re: my budget mono black - Bontu Sacrifice ft famine and demon lord deck - Comments

« on: May 23, 2018, 03:34:40 pm »

Can you sac doomed dissenter and its token to Torgaar?

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Deck Reviews / [Modern] Red Black Burn

« on: December 23, 2015, 06:49:12 pm »

Red Black Burn

What do you guys think of this red black burn build? 

I think there's a particularly good synergy between the creatures and spells.  Lots of burn that Grim Lavamancer can use as fuel.  Even creatures like Vexing Devil and fetches will be used as fuel.  Monastery Swiftspear can pump up to a 2/3 or 3/4 for almost every attack, which I also why I prefer it over Goblin Guide.  She can have the same damage output for cost without the drawback of giving your opponent a card. 

Browbeat is great if its turn 4 and you need that one last bit of burn.  Thoughseize throws off the opponent a bit and can remove any threats ahead of time.  Craters Claw for a finisher but it rarely comes to that.  Thinking of replacing it with something else.  I'm still up in the air about the lands as well.