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[Seabie]

I think this deck would be better without the pure mill sorceries. I have a similar deck and I've found that often you can't afford to 'do nothing' on a turn. Well, of course, it's not really doing nothing, because some cards are affected by them, but in the end it feels like doing 'not enough'. Especially the Tome Scours seem weak.

I would advise to replace those with even more removal. Devour Flesh and Ultimate Price come to mind. It's a big plus that those cards are instants, because this deck really wants to handle things instant speed. Yes, those cards don't mill the opponent, but I've found that this deck wins most games with a huge Wight of Precinct Six or Consuming Aberration anyway. And if the opponent handles these threats you just prolong the game until they are milled.

[arcueid]

I already use Devour Flesh and Ultimate Price in my mono-black deck.  I placed 2 Warped Physique for this usage, and if a big creature is available to pump it.
I also thought about Shipwreck Singer, to kill x/1 creatures.

Milling is just an alternative win condition, that's right.
Tome Scours are fine, they feeds opponent cemetery for Death's Approach or Wight of Precinct Six. It also fill a 1 CMC slot.
With Duskmantle Guildmage, it's 5 damage for 4 mana.

I'm looking for a Lazav, Dimir Mastermind to replace Jace's Mindseeker.

[Seabie]

I don't think you need to fill the 1 CMC slot. In the best case the Tome Scour pumps the Wight and it makes Death's Approach better, but you'll lose a precious card in the process. This deck runs a lot of 1 for 1 kill spells and I don't think that gives you room for playing the pure mill spells. Yes, the Tome Scour combos nice with the Guildmage, but there won't be many games where that will win you games where other cards wouldn't have won you those games. Also, to mitigate the card disadvantage you create with the mill cards, you're forced to play sorcery speed card draw cards, but those make you very vulnerable. You really want to leave mana open when it's not your turn.

[arcueid]

Understood.
Now the difficulty is to fill this slot with card I own, and not use in other deck ^^

[arcueid]

I replaced Tome Scour by Devour Flesh .
And added Pharika's cure in mono-black deck.

[Seabie]

Sounds good. I know the difficulties of switching cards between decks when you deliberately have a limited card pool.

[arcueid]

Another idea, more based on milling for this deck : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBotZy4z_w

[Seabie]

The deck in the video is different indeed. It goes 100% with the mill battle plan and tries to mill them as fast as possible. They run quite some multiples of some uncommon and rare cards though. Even then it seems like a very risky deck to me. With the cardpool we're working with I think it's better to go with the more controlling route. I say this with a little hesitation though, because I don't have much experience with playing pure mill decks.

[arcueid]

I would like to set up a pure mill deck, since I have already 3 other control decks.
I'll give you my feelings after having tested it.

[arcueid]

Here is my test deck : http://deckstats.net/decks/6174/79363-dimir-mill-creatures?saved=1&lng=en

[Seabie]

Would love to hear your test results.

[arcueid]

Pros :
- Balustrade Spy does a good job vs my mono-white weenie.
- Mortus Strider is a nice chump blocker for late games.
- Mind Grind is very good !
- First creatings are resistant enough to wait comboing with Duskmantle Guildmage (I couldn't do it with control version, more oriented on late game creatures).

Cons :
- Card drawing was missing me.
- But with only 2 Undercity Informer, deck is not much consistent, and combo cannot be applied.

I completely changed this deck to work around Sage's Row Denizen, Unblocable creatures and Ciphering.
But I'm close to admit that milling is very difficult for actual standard budget decks.
(Previous, with Innistrad block, it was possible - maybe there is no much cheap milling solutions in Theros block ?)

[arcueid]

Changed Duskmantle Guildmage  for Necropolis Regent and Lazav, Dimir Mastermind as game finishers.
(as I don't have yet these 2 last cards IRL, I will use Diluvian Primordial and Sepulchral Primordial)

[Seabie]

Necropolis Regent is a powerhouse on itself, so he should work. Dimir Mastermind should be good in this deck as well, although he migth be even better in the 'kill all the creatures' version of the Dimir deck. But, he will be good here as well.

Could you update the deck as it is right now? It makes it easier to follow what you're working with right now.