[Standard] Panharmoniconica

[CardAgain Sweater]

Panharmoniconica

I'm pretty sure this is not competitive, but I like complicated combos in standard and hitting for 8 or more to the face when casting a 2 cmc creature...even if it takes a 3 card combo that is fragile to either creature or artifact removal, that is good, clean fun.

Wizards have enter the battlefield effects, copy them with naban. Copy them again with Panharmonicon which also makes a copy of Naban's copy effect.

[calebbw]

Nabanimonicon!

[CardAgain Sweater]

This version of the obvious naban/panharmonicon/wizard ETB tribal deck is very low cmc. If it doesn't hit the combo (and the 8x payoff cards help), this doesn't have anything close to a finisher, but it's fun to fiddle.

I've only looked at 3cmc wizards so far, and I've got the whole sideboard to fill. If Adeliz, the Cinder Wind was actual prowess to Wizards instead of just instants and sorceries, we might have something. At this point, I think she's not gonna work with 10 trigger cards.

[Snootyfox]

I really like it! I love complicated combos too - it's the main fun of MTG for me. Would be cool to have some bounce spells for even more triggerage!

[Mister.Ri]

metallic mimic to put additional counters on your wizards!

[CardAgain Sweater]

metallic mimic to put additional counters on your wizards!

I absolutely agree - 2× metallic mimic are the 61st and 62nd card on my list right now, and I'm leaning towards upgrading them in the 60 card ordering. 2cmc and no concerns over hitting the right color land drops the 1st two turns is nice. Then add on the wizards subtype, then add on the +1/+1 counters to help beef the otherwise weak wizards. It also soaks up removal, as the play progression would probably be (in a perfect world):
T1: island, pass (assuming on the play), 6 cards
T2: island, Metallic Mimic naming wizards, 5 cards
T3: mountain, siren stormtamer, hold up stormtamer effect and wizard's lightning, 4 cards
T4: mountain, panharminicon - going for broke, 3 cards, 2/2 flyer
T5: island, naban, viashino pyromancer...then things happen

Naban gets 4x +1/+1 counters from metallic mimic, same deal for viashino pyromancer. Pyromancer triggers 4x for 8 damage total to 1-4 targets, maybe all 1 target.

Maybe this does have finishers if metallic mimic is out early. Maybe if I switch out vizier of many faces for Metallic mimic; i think I'd want 3 or 4 if I moved to the mimic

[CardAgain Sweater]

I really like it! I love complicated combos too - it's the main fun of MTG for me. Would be cool to have some bounce spells for even more triggerage!

Check out my treasure combo deck (no Revel In Riches!) if you want fun combo potential; its listed under the name "Booty Sac".

I considered this as a more bouncy, instant strategy to use Adeliz better, maybe it could work. More controlish slant, probably.

[Mister.Ri]

"Wizards have enter the battlefield effects, copy them with naban. Copy them again with Panharmonicon which also copys Naban's copy effect."

Are you sure this is the case? I think this will only trigger an additional 2 times, on top of the original trigger? So with panharmonicon, naban and viashino it will deal 6 damage.

If you are saying that panharmonicon trigger naban's trigger, therefore wouldn't naban's trigger trigger panharmonicon as well? That means with panharmonicon, naban and viashino it will deal 10 damage? Am I mis-interpreting something?

[robort]

Let's see Panharmonicon gets Vishio trigger as well.. so that is 4 damage... but Naban will trigger twice thanks to Panharmonicon making 4 more damage and Vishio himself is 2 damage for a total of 10 damage

[Soren841]

Gatherer ruling: "If you control two Panharmonicons, an artifact or creature entering the battlefield causes abilities to trigger three times, not four. A third Panharmonicon causes abilities to trigger four times, a fourth causes abilities to trigger five times, and so on." Same thing applies here as Naban is essentially Panharmonicon for Wizards.

[CardAgain Sweater]

This is me 'showing my work' on the math for the naban / metallic mimic / panharmonicon interaction:

Battlefield - Panharmonicon and Metallic Mimic (with wizard as creature type)
Naban resolves to battlefield. Several triggers go on stack:

Metallic Mimic sees naban etb, trigger for a single +1/+1 counter
Panharmonicon sees a creature etb - naban - causing a trigger on a permanent - metallic mimic - and duplicates it, 2nd +1/+1 counter
Naban sees the metallic mimic (wizard) trigger from himself entering (see gatherer notes) and duplicates it, 3rd +1/+1 counter
Panharmonicon sees naban trigger on naban etb and duplicates it, 4th +1/+1 counter.

The same thing should work for the viashino pyromancer, with Panharmonicon and naban on the battlefield when the viashino (or the ghitu journeymage) etb.

[robort]

Vishio enters causing 2 damage, naban sees vishio trigger and causes another 2 damage, panharmonicon sees naban trigger and does another 2 damage(this causes another naban trigger) and then panharmonicon sees vishio trigger and causing a final 2 damage. Grand total of 8 damage.

So yeah 4 triggers tops. I am scratching my head to my initial post to 5 triggers based somehow I got Naban to go off twice and then twice.

[CardAgain Sweater]

Vishio enters causing 2 damage, naban sees vishio trigger and causes another 2 damage, panharmonicon sees naban trigger and does another 2 damage(this causes another naban trigger) and then panharmonicon sees vishio trigger and causing a final 2 damage. Grand total of 8 damage.

So yeah 4 triggers tops. I am scratching my head to my initial post to 5 triggers based somehow I got Naban to go off twice and then twice.

Yeah, I had to diagram it out to be sure it wasn't 3 or 5 triggers.  

Now, since this isn't meant to be competitive I had considered helm of the host to make nonlegendary nabans, but there's no way I stay alive long enough to equip for the resulting glorious cascade of triggers. Maybe Mirage Mirror...

I'm also thinking about what could happen with metallic mimic, naban, and panharmonicon on the board in an attack scenario (offense or defense) with merfolk trickster in hand and mana open. Trickster is optimally played to tap down 4 blockers and get 4 +1/1 counters for a good blocker for any potential crackback; on defense it can blank keyword abilities, tap down open mana dorks or a defensive creature, or vigilance creatures but maybe they are already declared as attackers, unless you flash it in at or before the moment your opponent moves to combat - still gives you a 6/6 surprise blocker either way.

[Yegotak]

Panharmonicon and vashino pyromancer won't be legal at the same time in standard

[Soren841]

Yes they will