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Author Topic: Hit him! Not me! - Kardur, Doomscourge Primer  (Read 1242 times)

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Hit him! Not me! - Kardur, Doomscourge Primer
« on: September 18, 2023, 01:22:00 pm »
Hello! Since I saw that my Kardur, Doomscourge currently has the most likes for decks piloted by Kardur, I thought that I should write a primer for it. That way people know my decisions behind the deck's choices. While I tend to write descriptions for my decks, this is my first time writing a primer. I would appreciate any and all CC. Thank you for your time! ;D

https://deckstats.net/decks/113239/2161761-hit-him-not-me-#show_description

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Re: Hit him! Not me! - Kardur, Doomscourge Primer
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2023, 02:48:17 am »
Are there any other ways to buff Baeloth other than the vows? Is he any good if his power is only 2?

How often does Kardor get removed? Do you have to often re-cast him with Netherborn Altar?

Besides Feed the Swarm, what else can you do against enchantment-based decks? Do you just have to accept that it's a bad matchup? What tech pieces can you include in a meta with lots of enchantment decks?

I would also like to know why you're not using any of these cards:

Agitator Ant
Bedevil
Chaos Warp
Curse of Opulence
Geode Rager
Ghoulish Impetus
Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant
Parasitic Impetus
Slaughter Specialist

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Re: Hit him! Not me! - Kardur, Doomscourge Primer
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2023, 04:42:01 am »
Good questions!

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Are there any other ways to buff Baeloth other than the vows? Is he any good if his power is only 2?
1. Unfortunately no, there isn't any way to buff him outside of the vows.
2. Yes, he is still effective at what he does with only 2 power. All of the tokens *(with the exception of Rite of the Raging Storm)* that we are creating and giving away to our opponents are 1/1. So he is able to goad them all the same.

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How often does Kardor get removed? Do you have to often re-cast him with Netherborn Altar?
1. Often enough that I felt that he needed a way to have his cost reduced. Not only will he sometimes get targeted by opponents, but he is also our prime sacrifice target of the cards: Nasty End, Bone Splinters, and Bone Shards. I don't have hard numbers to give you, unfortunately.
2. Netherborn Altar is a newer addition to the deck, so I have had only 1 opportunity to use it so far, but it stopped me from having to pay 8 to recast Kardur.

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Besides Feed the Swarm, what else can you do against enchantment-based decks? Do you just have to accept that it's a bad matchup? What tech pieces can you include in a meta with lots of enchantment decks?
Unfortunately, it is just a bad match-up. I do my best to play around them. You did bring up a good point with the card Chaos Warp. I don't have a reason not to pay it and it would be another way to deal with enchantments. I think that I didn't have one when I first built the deck and then just forgot to put it into the deck. So I will be adding it to the deck replacing Shatter Storm.

Now to answer your questions about individual cards:

Agitator Ant: This used to be in the deck! I had two problems with it. It was too slow and I couldn't control what got goaded. Sure, the synergy with Baeloth was nice, but it wasn't enough in my opinion to keep it in the deck.

Bedevil: While this is a staple of Rakdos removal. I chose to play removal cards that wanted me to sacrifice a creature as part of the casting cost. This way, I could sacrifice Kardur and cast him again. 

Curse of Opulence: This deck used to run curses as well. I found that they often underwhelming in the value that they generated. Curse of Opulence is the one that you could argue including. Maybe as a replacement for Fire Diamond. I also just personally don't own the card.

Geode Rager, Parasitic Impetus, & Ghoulish Impetus: The deck has arguably too many ways to goad the. They are just the ones that didn't make the cut. Geode Rager just came down too late, it's a good ability but I didn't need another force attacks at that CMC. The Vow and impetus aren't included because I only have enough for all of them so I chose the ones that gave me the most value.

Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant: When I was brewing the deck I was stuck between him and Baeloth. I chose Baeloth over Karazikar because I valued the mana gained from treasure over the carddraw. Also, Baeloth's goad ability is easier to trigger.

Slaughter Specialist: I did now know about this card. This is pretty cool. I think that my argument for not running it is I want repeatable forms of token generation rather than a one-off. I get more triggers with Conjurer's Closet or Orthion, Hero of Lavabrink, but I don't think that it's enough to justify its inclusion.

Should I add a section for "cards I'm not playing" and add this info in there?

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Re: Hit him! Not me! - Kardur, Doomscourge Primer
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2023, 04:38:09 pm »
Should I add a section for "cards I'm not playing" and add this info in there?

Yes, that is a good idea, as it's something frequently look for in a primer. When you integrate this reply into the primer I'll promote it.

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Re: Hit him! Not me! - Kardur, Doomscourge Primer
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 02:15:23 am »
Alright! I updated the primer with a "Why am I not playing X?" section.

I replaced Shatterstorm with Chaos Warp

I have also added the other relevant questions to the FAQ section.

Thank you for all your work ;D Morganator 2.0!