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Solft
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Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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May 26, 2023, 09:35:13 am »
Hello everybody,
I was searching for fun commander mechanic that change the way you play Magic. I've found some pretty fun commander like
Kotori, pilot prodigy
or
Zada, hedron grinder
but there is already some guide for how to build them.
Then, I've found
Prime Speaker Vannifar
. She is not a popular one but she got some pretty good moves like OTK with some combo. It's a bit complicated with 40 moves to do it in one turn in worst cases. However I think she could be a good competitive commander (of course not a top tier). I've built a deck and I think there is an optimised creature ratio. If you know how I can improve it or if you have other fun commander to recommend let's just discuss about it ! (In the Vannifar's deck list there is some expensive card I have excluded like
su-chi
or
palinchron
).
Link of the deck :
https://deckstats.net/decks/206980/3058039--final-version-prime-speaker-v
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #1 on:
May 26, 2023, 10:44:02 am »
The combo is based on 3 main cards :
-
Caller of the pack
(the killer one)
-
God-Eternal Rhonas
(the boost one, can be replace by breat oak guardian if
God-Eternal Rhonas
isn't in your library)
-
Surrak, the Hunt caller
(for haste and OTK)
There is an infinite combo with
loaming shaman
and
Nantuko tracer
(each other replace creature in your library).
Barishi
has same effect but work only one time.
There is some protection against counter artifact / enchantement with
reclamation sage
or
cleanup crew
.
Some creatures can replace creature from your hand to your library like
whirlpool rider
,
riverwise augur
or
cavalier of gales
.
The list of the combo (I didn't found other way to depicte it)
3 mana minimum at the start of the turn
the carriage return symbolize the Vannifar's ability.
the "!!!" symbolize key card of the combo.
In this combo
God-eternal Rhonas
triggered 3 times but you can do it infinitelly, and you can sacrifice
wonder
at the last sacrifice cycle to give flying.
start with
llanowar elves
corridor monitor
deceiver exarch
breachning hippocamp
shrine steward
->
aura of dominion
-> cost 3 mana to enchant Vannifar.
woodland bellower
->
hyrax tower scout
sacrifice Hyrax for
eyeless watcher
(rest 1 scion)
peregrine drake
(1 scion 3 mana)
brood monitor
(4 scion 2 mana)
sacrifice a scion for
myr moonvessel
(3 scion 1 mana)
cloud of fearies (3 scion 3 mana)
bounding krasis
(3 scion 2 mana)
Tidal Barracuda
(or
saryth, the viper's fang
if
Tidal barracuda
isn't in your library) (3 scion 2 mana) !!!
sacrifice
woodland bellower
for call of the pack (3 scion 1 mana) !!!
sacrifice scion for
blisterpod
(2 scion 0 mana)
oracle of tragedy
(2 scion 0 mana) ->
deceiver exarch
,
eyeless watcher
,
peregrine drake
deceiver exarch
(1 scion 0 mana)
peregrine drake
(1 scion 3 mana)
brood monitor
(4 scion 2 mana)
zopandrel, hunger dominus
(4 scion 1 mana) !!!
sacrifice a scion for
tukatongue thallid
(3 scion 0 mana)
gleaming barrier
(2 scion 0 mana 1 token)
loaming shaman
(1 scion 1 mana 1 token)
eyeless watcher
(3 scion 0 mana 1 token)
God-Eternal Rhonas
(2 scion 0 mana 1 token) 1st time
woodland bellower
(1 scion 0 mana 1 token) ->
hyrax tower scout
sacrifice
hyrax tower scout
for
surrak the hunt caller
(1 scion 0 mana 1 token) !!!
sacrifice
woodland bellower
for
brood monitor
(3 scion 0 mana 1 token)
birthing hulk
(4 scion 0 mana 1 token)
sacrifice token for
blisterpod
(3 scion 0 mana)
cloud of faeries
(3 scion 2 mana)
bounding krasis
(3 scion 2 mana)
barishi
(3 scion 2 mana)
God->Eternal Rhonas (3 scion 1 mana) 2nd time
brood monitor
(5 scion 1 mana)
sacrifice a scion for
myr moonvessel
(3 scion 1 mana)
corridor monitor
(2 scion 2 mana)
deceiver exrarch (2 scion 2 mana)
wonder
(2scion 2 mana)
God-Eternal Rhonas
(2 scion 2 mana) 3rd time
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #2 on:
May 26, 2023, 06:08:42 pm »
Here we go... Vannifar is often seen as a mid-tier (I think) CEDH commander with far faster and consistent combos. While your combo might work, the ultimate goal of Vannifar is to hit
Protean Hulk
, which allows you to grab combo pieces. The most common is probably
Ezuri, Claw of Progress
,
Sage of Hours
, and 4 0-drop creatures that can trigger Ezuri. Infinite turns can find you the stuff to loop
Beast Within
, destroy all of your opponents permanents, then
Cyclonic Rift
them away. I'm not a Vannifar expert, but there are some pretty good guides online involving her combo lines and interaction.
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Solft
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #3 on:
May 27, 2023, 12:27:08 am »
I totally agree with you I know there is also a combo with
gilded goose
and
urza, lord high artificer
. The idea here is also to have a low cost deck (around 70€ with shipping fees).
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #4 on:
May 28, 2023, 05:51:52 am »
yeah, some of the combo lines can be pricy, but basic ones aren't too expensive, and
Protean Hulk
isn't obnoxiously expensive. The
Spellseeker
/
Crop rotation
/
Wirewood lodge
/
Minamo, school at water's edge
lines are more expensive. And if you need just one card,
Intruder Alarm
wins the game on the spot with Vannifar.
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #5 on:
May 28, 2023, 07:20:37 pm »
My 2 cents:
-
Drift of Phantasms
to tutor
Intruder Alarm
-
Riftsweeper
to maybe
recycle
some pieces from
exile
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #6 on:
May 29, 2023, 02:03:36 am »
The (in my opinion) best line is to pod up to
Trophy Mage
, find
Thousand-year elixir
, cast it, then activate it, untapping Vannifar. From here, grab
Fatestitcher
, untap Vannifar, then find
Tidewater Minion
and repeat. Your 6-drop can be either
Great Oak Guardian
or
Woodland Bellower
, and either way, you're grabbing
Protean Hulk
. Now,
unearth
Fatestitcher
, untap Vannifar, and find your 8-drop plus the cards from the hulk. Combo Achieved!
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Re: Underrated Commander/how to improve Vannifar's deck
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Reply #7 on:
May 29, 2023, 03:01:37 am »
Thank you for all your ideas !
I will upgrade this deck soon thanks to you !
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