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Autor Thema: Beating Shuffle Hulk  (Gelesen 1574 mal)

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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #15 am: August 02, 2019, 02:05:12 Nachmittag »
They have 2 shuffle effects with Gaea's Blessing so they can mill to a shuffle in response to hate
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #16 am: August 02, 2019, 02:11:11 Nachmittag »
It seems like the two opportune moments to respond are when either Flash/Protean Hulk's death trigger are on the stack, or when Kozilek is about to reshuffle the deck. I would really like to respond at that moment, but Memory's Journey messes with that.

Damn.. this problem is making me headache.  :o Everytime I think I've got something, I notice that it doesn't work.

You would have to deal with Kozilek AND have a counter for Memory's Journey.

Hmm.. we would need an alternate Mindcrank. life loss on mill in stead mill on life loss.

/edit: Bloodchief Ascension could do the job, but you would have to get 3 counters on it before the combo starts, which should be a big drawback.
« Letzte Änderung: August 02, 2019, 02:19:54 Nachmittag von Judaspriester »
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #17 am: August 02, 2019, 02:33:58 Nachmittag »
Just play Sliver Hulk! Be faster than them :)
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #18 am: August 02, 2019, 04:25:37 Nachmittag »
Damn, I forgot about Gaea's Blessing. Why did Paradox Engine have to be the one to get banned?

I've been making a list of the cards that will help against Shuffle Hulk. Feel free to add to it.

Before Flash Hulk

Static grave-hate (Rest in Peace)
Sanctum Prelate on 2
Extract
Aegis of the Gods/True Believer
Cursed Totem/Damping Matrix/Pithing Needle

During Flash Hulk

Any low-cost counterspell
Containment Priest
Aven Mindcensor
Hallowed Moonlight
Stifle/Trickbind

After Flash Hulk

Extirpate the Narcomoeba
Sudden Shock/Sudden Death on any of the creatures.

With this in mind, I think that Anafenza, the Foremost is a strong commander to fight Shuffle Hulk. Being in green, and grave-hate herself means that I can consistently get her out on turn 2. I can also use the Boonweaver Giant combo and (ironically) Protean Hulk combo to win.
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #19 am: August 02, 2019, 04:43:56 Nachmittag »
Err.. are you sure with Hushwing Gryff? the way you explained the combo, there are only LTB trigger.

Before hulk, Cursed Totem and its little brother Damping Matrix would work.
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #20 am: August 02, 2019, 05:03:57 Nachmittag »
Damn, not Hushwing. I was thinking of something else, that is unfortunately irrelevant for this fast a combo (it was Angel of Jubilation).

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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #21 am: August 02, 2019, 05:28:32 Nachmittag »
Phyrexian Revoker and Sorcerous Spyglass would be backups for the needle.

Nevermore also works
« Letzte Änderung: August 02, 2019, 05:31:04 Nachmittag von Judaspriester »
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #22 am: August 03, 2019, 08:02:02 Vormittag »
What about the leyline that gives you hex proof? Shuffle hulk dude cant target you with the blood artist trigger.
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #23 am: August 03, 2019, 04:16:46 Nachmittag »
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #24 am: August 05, 2019, 09:32:08 Vormittag »
What about the leyline that gives you hex proof? Shuffle hulk dude cant target you with the blood artist trigger.

Hmm.. like Soren already said, this won't help. But playing Blood Artist yourself could potentially slow down the combo. If someone else got a Blood Artist out, the Hulk player would target him first, but would get the same damage as backfire, which would result in the shuffle hulk and the other Blood Artist player out.
Since this is a less desirable outcome, it could buy a turn or 2 until the second Blood Artist gets removed.
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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #25 am: August 05, 2019, 12:44:22 Nachmittag »
Grafdigger's Cage is great for stopping Protean Hulk. I'm surprised I didn't think of this sooner.

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Re: Beating Shuffle Hulk
« Antwort #26 am: August 05, 2019, 01:40:20 Nachmittag »
Grafdigger's Cage is great for stopping Protean Hulk. I'm surprised I didn't think of this sooner.

Seems like we missed one of the most obvious cards (that also got a reprint recently)...  ::)

Anyway, we've collected some stuff that works against shuffle hulk, I'll hope it helps.
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