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Title: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 07, 2019, 11:59:51 am
I know it probably won't be all that long until official news comes out, but there's nothing wrong with a little friendly speculation.

So where do you think we'll go next?  Somewhere new?  Somewhere familiar?  Will we see any familiar faces?  Will we see the next major villain or will wizards focus on smaller, self-contained stories for a while?

Side argument - Who was the better villain, for those that read the old invasion block and prior novels, Yawgmoth or Bolas?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 07, 2019, 02:10:51 pm
I'd like to go somewhere new, but I wouldn't be against a return to Theros either.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 07, 2019, 02:38:24 pm
Okay, so if we went back to Theros (keep in mind I'm only vaguely up to date on that plane's lore), what would you like to see?

More enchantments matter?  As an EDH player, I think there's already enough of that. 

New Gods?

New walkers, or a return of old walkers?  (Elspeth)

Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 07, 2019, 02:48:10 pm
Elspeth is my favorite PW so that's probably the main reason I want to go back to Theros, to get resolution to her story. Could she be a zombie PW? Will it show her struggle to escape the underworld with help from some of the Gatewatch?

I'm also a huge zombie fiend, so any location that can give us neat new zombies I'm down for.

Enchantments matter really isn't a big thing for me. I have an Enchantments matter EDH deck and I hardly play it.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on May 07, 2019, 04:01:14 pm
I doubt we're returning to Theros for a full set, but the plane will show up in core sets and supplemental products. The core issue with the Theros block was that the mechanics were designed around the flavor of the plane (Greek Mythology), and they only really had enough flavor for one set.

But they still had to juice out enough for Born of the Gods and Journey into Nyx.

So I think that Theros's flavor had been exhausted, unless they do something like an Eldrazi or Phyrexian invasion.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Soren841 on May 07, 2019, 04:09:44 pm
An enchantment/god flavored set but Phyrexianized..
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Ylhyssia on May 07, 2019, 07:14:46 pm
Haven't they confirmed that the next set would take place on a new plane?

The rumor going around is that we'll finally see Kaldheim, the viking-inspired plane.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 07, 2019, 07:24:22 pm
Kaldheim has been rumored for a while and it's one I wouldn't mind.


If not a return to Theros, I wonder (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Wonder) where/if we'll ever see Elspeth again.

Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 07, 2019, 07:57:03 pm
Haven't they confirmed that the next set would take place on a new plane?

The rumor going around is that we'll finally see Kaldheim, the viking-inspired plane.

A Viking flavored set would certainly tickle my fancy.  I've been tossing around ideas for a Skyrim themed custom set for a while.  Would we get gods similar to the old Norse gods?  perhaps our good buddy Thor would get a PW simile!  That would be dope.

When does the next standard set come out?  I'm guessing september
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on May 07, 2019, 09:11:31 pm
Pretty sure core set 2020 is next, likely some time in July.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 07, 2019, 09:40:01 pm
2020 should be in July then the next set in September.

This is what I could find on Core set 2020. https://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/core-set-2020
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Marshstepper78 on May 08, 2019, 05:16:08 am
I would love to see a return to Theros because that is the block that got me back into Magic permanently after a near ten-year hiatus, me being a Classics major and all.

That being said, if we do go to a new plane, I too would love to see a Nordic myth-inspired world as well. No planeswalkers for me though, even new ones.  I'm done with the Justice (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Justice) League.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on May 08, 2019, 08:32:49 am
maybe something around Jhoira and the Weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) crew...
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 08, 2019, 09:35:54 am
I would also like to see the weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) crew more, but unfortunately Weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) II can't planeshift.  Besides, I don't think wizards wants to make them the focal point of their story again, since they had a six year arc from weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) to apocalypse (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Apocalypse) focusing on the original crew.  They'll show up next time we go to Dominaria, of course, but that's it most likely.  Don't get me wrong, I was excited to see that iconic ship return, but like I said, I'm hoping for something new, and more weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight), albeit with a new crew, is recycled material.  I know the phyrexians are going to return, and nobody more than me wants to see a rematch between phyrexia and the weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight), but I don't think it will happen, unless they figure out how to invade dominaria again.  I'm not very up to date on the New phyrexians, other than they took over mirrodin from a drop of glistening oil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glistening+Oil) left behind by Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn), but from what I gather, they have no knowledge of the original phyrexia or yawgmoth or dominaria or the legendary struggle against urza (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Urza).  correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm rambling.

I just want new content.  New places, new characters, like Davriel from Children of the Nameless.  I like him, I'd like to see more of him.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on May 08, 2019, 12:51:29 pm
i don't like davriel's mask...maybe in leather was better than metallic
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 08, 2019, 04:16:46 pm
I think if you don't want to see Planeswalkers you're in for a let down. Maybe we'll get a break from the Gatewatch and some of the ones that constantly have cards though.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 08, 2019, 07:13:33 pm
i know it would be a stretch to wish for a set without planeswalkers.  planeswalkers have always been the focal point of any magic story, even before they started making pw cards.  Urza (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Urza), teferi, jeska, serra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Serra), freyalise, windgrace, jaya.  they didn't get cards in standard/type 1 (except jaya in dominaria) but all of the books at least had them near to the center, if not the central focus. 

but we did just get a bunch of new ones.  Davriel, the wanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Wanderer), teyo, etc.  I'd like to see them be the center of attention for a while, with the gatewatch taking a backseat for a few sets while they recovered.  Perhaps in some self contained stories that aren't part of some grand overarching scheme.  wizards started to do that after apocalypse (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Apocalypse), but that lasted up until alara. 

just my two cents
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on May 09, 2019, 12:20:05 am
I'm not too sure about the lore for the older sets. I think phyrexia was destroyed and then new phyrexia was created because karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn) accidentally brought some of the phyrexians to mirridon with him and they turned mirridon into new phyrexia. Please correct me if that isnt right.

Anywho I'd love to go somewhere dealing with the phyrexians. Praetors are fun. And I wanna know atraxa's relation to the praetors as her name is Atraxa, PRAETOR'S voice. Do you think they're avoiding going back there because they'd have to implement phyrexian mana again which is definitely broken. Do they not want to do that? Or would they go back there and simply not use it?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 09, 2019, 12:58:38 am
There's nothing saying they'd have to do Phyrexian mana again so I can see them going back there and just not using it.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Firegriff on May 09, 2019, 03:57:26 am
I am thinking, with Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn)'s direct statement of wanting to destroy Phyrexia during Dominaria block, he is definitely going back to Mirrodin.  Meaning New Phyrexia is probably the new big bad.  What worlds are on the path there is hard to determine, but my suspicion is -slivers-.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 09, 2019, 07:39:07 am
yeah from what I understand phyrexian mana kindof broke the game a bit.

also I doubt we'll see slivers again, since we've been to dominaria recently and we didn't see a single sliver card.  there wasn't anything referencing them in the lore either.  they wouldn't have added much to that set's story, but a small snippet explaining where they were or what happened to them (a mention that there's still a hive presence on otaria, or saying that they were somehow eradicated), would have done a lot for that small group of people who want to see them return, or hope they never do.  but you can count on them being nerfed if they do.  I wanna say it was what, m13, where we last saw them, and they were evolving to become a bit more humanoid.  it would be interesting to see sentient, maybe even intelligent, slivers.

side question: Slivers were on rath, which was an artificial plane controlled by old phyrexia.  I wonder (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Wonder) why yawgy never incorporated sliver biology into his army.  perhaps even he couldn't control their evolution?  imagine if someone could?

side question two: who wins, slivers, phyrexians, or eldrazi?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: FrozenCakeMix on May 09, 2019, 08:01:03 am
Slivers would win hands down.

Phyrexians are always too busy doing... Phyrexian things with the exception of Urabrask, he doesnt even exist to the other Preators. The reason Atraxa lacks Red is because Urabrask is always avoiding the others and hiding his Gundam fetish.

Eldrazi are creepy tentacle monsters and would lose because they are apprantly easily imprisoned into the moon, Slivers would've turned the moon into another Sliver with "Each Sliver gains 'T:Exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Exile) Target Permanent until there are no Slivers in Play.' "
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on May 09, 2019, 10:19:11 am
I'm not too sure about the lore for the older sets. I think phyrexia was destroyed and then new phyrexia was created because karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn) accidentally brought some of the phyrexians to mirridon with him and they turned mirridon into new phyrexia. Please correct me if that isnt right.

I've read the 3 Mirrodin books some time ago, at least for this block I can help a little with the lore:
Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) build Mirrodin and by accident left some Glisterning Oil there. It has first reproduced silent and then startet corrupting Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) (Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) left him to watch over Mirrodin) and the rest of the World. This also caused metal turning into flesh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flesh). Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) got defeated by Glissa after a hard fight, but afaik this hasn't removed the corruption.
Since this is the end of the Mirrodin books, I can't tell how it exactly turned into new Phyrexia, or what happened to it.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: crimsonking on May 10, 2019, 12:06:09 am
Haven't they confirmed that the next set would take place on a new plane?

The rumor going around is that we'll finally see Kaldheim, the viking-inspired plane.
I believe Mark Rosewater once posted the sequence they were going to follow so that there would never be 2 old worlds or 2 new worlds in a row.
Looking at the previous two worlds, they were Dominaria and Ravnica, so there must be a new world coming.
Personally, I'd like to see Ulgrotha again with the same old-style flavor but more playable cards, but that's just a wish...
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 10, 2019, 09:48:14 am
Ulgrotha?  Rings a bell, but I'm not placing it.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on May 10, 2019, 10:50:13 am
Ulgrotha?  Rings a bell, but I'm not placing it.

The plane where Homelands took place.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on May 10, 2019, 12:04:20 pm
Ah, I didn't know that took place outside of Dominaria.

What about Mercadia?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on May 11, 2019, 02:42:22 pm
I'm not too sure about the lore for the older sets. I think phyrexia was destroyed and then new phyrexia was created because karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn) accidentally brought some of the phyrexians to mirridon with him and they turned mirridon into new phyrexia. Please correct me if that isnt right.

I've read the 3 Mirrodin books some time ago, at least for this block I can help a little with the lore:
Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) build Mirrodin and by accident left some Glisterning Oil there. It has first reproduced silent and then startet corrupting Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) (Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) left him to watch over Mirrodin) and the rest of the World. This also caused metal turning into flesh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flesh). Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) got defeated by Glissa after a hard fight, but afaik this hasn't removed the corruption.
Since this is the end of the Mirrodin books, I can't tell how it exactly turned into new Phyrexia, or what happened to it.

I forgot I posted in this thread, so i haven't been keeping up. Oops.

So is this why Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Memnarch) is able to turn anything into an artifact? Because he was corrupted by the glistening oil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glistening+Oil). And the glistening oil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glistening+Oil) is the same thing that fuels, or created, not sure the terminology here, SKithiryx, the Blight Dragon (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Skithiryx%2C+the+Blight+Dragon)?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on May 11, 2019, 03:10:12 pm
I'm not too sure about the lore for the older sets. I think phyrexia was destroyed and then new phyrexia was created because karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Karn) accidentally brought some of the phyrexians to mirridon with him and they turned mirridon into new phyrexia. Please correct me if that isnt right.

I've read the 3 Mirrodin books some time ago, at least for this block I can help a little with the lore:
Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) build Mirrodin and by accident left some Glisterning Oil there. It has first reproduced silent and then startet corrupting Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) (Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) left him to watch over Mirrodin) and the rest of the World. This also caused metal turning into flesh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flesh). Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) got defeated by Glissa after a hard fight, but afaik this hasn't removed the corruption.
Since this is the end of the Mirrodin books, I can't tell how it exactly turned into new Phyrexia, or what happened to it.

I forgot I posted in this thread, so i haven't been keeping up. Oops.

So is this why Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Memnarch) is able to turn anything into an artifact? Because he was corrupted by the glistening oil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glistening+Oil). And the glistening oil (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Glistening+Oil) is the same thing that fuels, or created, not sure the terminology here, SKithiryx, the Blight Dragon (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Skithiryx%2C+the+Blight+Dragon)?

Okay, I'll try to remember some details:
Mirrodin was, after Karn (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Karn) created it, a full metal world. Qucksilver seas, Copper Mountains, etc. And everything living on it was also mechanic. After some time, memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) used soultraps(?) to capture living beings from other planes, and brought them to mirrodin, in order to bring some life on this dead world. But with the ages, and the corruption spreading, mirrodin changed. First, the living started slowly transforming into metal. As you can see on the artwork for Glissa Sunseeker (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Glissa+Sunseeker), her arms and legs are covered by metal, other parts of her body are flesh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flesh). This is no armor or something like that, thats her skin. A result of the corruption spreading on mirrodin.
But the corruption also worked in the opposite direction. Later on, close to the birth of the fift sun, something changed, and pure metal beings, like Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) or Bosh, Iron Golem (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Bosh%2C+Iron+Golem) started turning into flesh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flesh).
about SKithiryx, the Blight Dragon (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Skithiryx%2C+the+Blight+Dragon): It might be a pure Metal dragon that turned into flesh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Flesh), or maybe a dragon (or more likely descendant of a dragon), Memnarch (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Memnarch) brought to Mirrodin.

If you want to read about all the details, there are 3 Books that cover the Mirrodin story. They are no masterpieces, but still worth reading, especially if you want to get a little deeper into the magic lore.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Firegriff on May 13, 2019, 11:07:11 pm
It would be nice for a return to Kamigawa, with Tamiyo returning to share the tales she has found with her people.  There are so many possibilities that could occur, from Dynastic changes to invaders to Planeswalkers seeking revenge for some perceived slight.  Bring back the ninjas, samurai and moonfolk!
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on May 13, 2019, 11:44:56 pm
You guys heard of the Rabiah scale?

Similar to the Storm scale, it's a ranking on how likely we are to revisit a plane in a standard-legal set. 1 is super likely and 10 is nigh-impossible. It hasn't been updated in a while, but here are the rankings.

1: Dominaria. Innistrad, Ravnica. The last update to this scale was right before the release (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Release) of Guilds of Ravnica. We are most-definitely going back to these planes.
2: Zendikar.
3: Theros.
4: Ixalan, Tarkir.
5: Alara, Amonkhet, Kaladesh, Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, New Phyrexia/Mirrodin.
6: Fiora (Conspiracy (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Conspiracy)), Regatha (Core sets), Vryn (Magic Origins).
7: Shandalar (Core 2014), Kamigawa, Kylem (Battlebond).
8: Segovia (The Hippodrome (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The%20Hippodrome)). Plane where everything is much smaller, and when planeswalkers come here, they shrink (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Shrink) down... so what's the point?
9: Ulgrotha (Homelands), Serra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Serra)'s Realm (Urza (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Urza) block), Rath (Weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) Saga), Phyrexia (Weatherlight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Weatherlight) Saga). Because these planes have been destroyed, we likely won't go back. Mercadia. A backwards world (goblins are smart, mountains are upside-down) is unsurprisingly hard to design.
10: Rabiah (Arabian Knights). Due to intellectual property issues, we will likely never see Rabiah, but we might see another Arabic/Persian styled set. Bablovia (Unstable). Because this is the world of Unstable, we won't see it appearing in standard.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on May 22, 2019, 05:46:08 pm
For those who was hoping for new slivers in the next edition: see the modern horizons spoilers.

My favorite til now:
The First Sliver
WUBRG
Legendary Creature - Sliver
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) cards from the top of your library until you exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.)

Sliver spells you cast have cascade.

Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on May 22, 2019, 05:51:16 pm
For those who was hoping for new slivers in the next edition: see the modern horizons spoilers.

My favorite til now:
The First Sliver
WUBRG
Legendary Creature - Sliver
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) cards from the top of your library until you exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.)

Sliver spells you cast have cascade.

Is this real? Please tell me you're joking. The give the most broken tribe the most broken mechanic? Oh dear lord. Because they weren't powerful enough with their personal avacyn, angel of hope (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Avacyn%2C+Angel+of+Hope), and coat of arms (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Coat+of+Arms). And being able to tutor for any piece they need. Wtf.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on May 22, 2019, 05:56:10 pm
For those who was hoping for new slivers in the next edition: see the modern horizons spoilers.

My favorite til now:
The First Sliver
WUBRG
Legendary Creature - Sliver
Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) cards from the top of your library until you exile (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=de&card=Exile) a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.)

Sliver spells you cast have cascade.

Is this real? Please tell me you're joking. The give the most broken tribe the most broken mechanic? Oh dear lord. Because they weren't powerful enough with their personal avacyn, angel of hope (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Avacyn%2C+Angel+of+Hope), and coat of arms (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Coat+of+Arms). And being able to tutor for any piece they need. Wtf.

http://www.mythicspoiler.com/mh1/cards/thefirstsliver.html

It's "just" a spoiler, but for me it looks pretty real. Besides that, I agree with you.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Firegriff on May 22, 2019, 07:38:41 pm
... The First Sliver plus the Tribe enabling Changeling god/lord will be a rather broken combo.  Are they even playtesting these cards?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on June 08, 2019, 09:43:22 am
does anybody knows where i can find a synthesis of ravnica: city of guild block story???
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 08, 2019, 11:09:16 pm
Here's a synopsis that came up when I googled it...

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/wmt03/ravnica_storyline_synopsis_ravnica_only/
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 09, 2019, 07:16:52 am
does anybody knows where i can find a synthesis of ravnica: city of guild block story???

https://www.amazon.com/Ravnica-Cycle-Book-I/dp/0786937920

I would love to read them myself, but I haven't. I would also love to read A Song of Fire (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Fire) and ice (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Ice), The Maze Runner, Hunger Games, To Kill a Mockingbird, Johnny Got his Gun, and so many more, but the hardest part is opening that first page because i am really deterred from reading. But I would read a super long document on them online without a second though. So who knows if I'll ever ready any of them. I've also seen the Movies/TV Shows, so it isn't as exciting reading it.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Izzet-saurus on June 09, 2019, 08:12:13 am
I honestly expected Innistrad Zendikar, Theros and Tarkir I'd like to revisit primarily for their thematic elements. it's good to know that most of the planes I'd like to see are high on this scale outside kamigawa
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: HowlingLotus on June 11, 2019, 06:44:30 am
Garruk seems like he would fit into a Viking theme pretty well, so fingers crossed.

He would probably be worshiped as a god by the people and he looks the part somewhat. Just don't cast thoughtseize (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Thoughtseize) on him.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 11, 2019, 08:40:17 am
I'd be cool with another Innistrad block...this time without the Eldrazi.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on June 11, 2019, 10:36:13 am
I read somewhere it may be another time spiral (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Time+Spiral)
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 12, 2019, 04:33:52 pm
I suspect we'll see a new plane next, but after that I wouldn't mind a return to any of the top 3 outside of Ravnica since we're there now.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Marshstepper78 on June 13, 2019, 11:05:22 am
The Time Spiral (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Time+Spiral) block was set on Dominaria, which we returned to recently. I doubt we'll be heading back there soon.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on June 13, 2019, 01:58:06 pm
http://epicstream.com/news/JakeVyper/Magic-The-Gathering-Head-Designer-Hints-The-Possibility-of-Future-Sight-2?fbclid=IwAR0QgWSexXKczrSCUymsZ3D9KctiHFHgnbKQO8sLYh4msOvUn0MgakFJmeA
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on June 13, 2019, 02:54:29 pm
http://epicstream.com/news/JakeVyper/Magic-The-Gathering-Head-Designer-Hints-The-Possibility-of-Future-Sight-2?fbclid=IwAR0QgWSexXKczrSCUymsZ3D9KctiHFHgnbKQO8sLYh4msOvUn0MgakFJmeA

What about removing the facebook tracking id?
http://epicstream.com/news/JakeVyper/Magic-The-Gathering-Head-Designer-Hints-The-Possibility-of-Future-Sight-2
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 13, 2019, 03:06:12 pm
Supplemental product maybe?

Hard to see them going back to Dominaria this soon.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on June 13, 2019, 03:10:42 pm
Yeah, don't trust anything posted on EpicStream. It's the closest thing to a one man circle-jerk I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 13, 2019, 03:14:13 pm
He sort of quoted MaRo (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Maro) right but then again there's a big difference between "unlikely" and "most likely never".

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/185078727678/if-modern-horizons-is-super-successful-it#notes
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on June 13, 2019, 03:22:43 pm
The point of Future Sight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Future+Sight) was to print cards (more specifically, mechanics) that will appear at some point in the future. That's why there were all sorts of cards with gravestorm (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bitter+Ordeal) or wizardcycling (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vedalken+Aethermage). Future Sight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Future+Sight) 2 would be something else like this.

And as per usual, the EpicStream post was way out of proportion to the actual quote. Hooray for clickbait I guess.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 14, 2019, 02:23:42 am
The point of Future Sight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Future+Sight) was to print cards (more specifically, mechanics) that will appear at some point in the future. That's why there were all sorts of cards with gravestorm (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bitter+Ordeal) or wizardcycling (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Vedalken+Aethermage). Future Sight (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Future+Sight) 2 would be something else like this.

And as per usual, the EpicStream post was way out of proportion to the actual quote. Hooray for clickbait I guess.

Do they have any intention of using those mechanics? Gravestorm (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Bitter+Ordeal) seems really cool.

So who is excited for the MTG Netflix Series? Think it will be related to the next story arc, since we are kind of done with Mr. Nicol Bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas), at least for now. But I feel like if they were going to have the series be based on this next arc we are facing, then it would be way further into production, being set to release (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Release) somewhere around this next set, but as far as I know it isnt anywhere near ready to be finished.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 14, 2019, 04:21:01 pm
My guess is posterboy Jace will be the main character of it.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on June 15, 2019, 04:20:12 am
I haven't understand anything of the synopsis...what about jace, if thnk it's great that he's finisher it's self defeat (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Defeat), well job wizard of the coast, ufo. but how he do it?????? :o
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 15, 2019, 10:03:42 am
My guess is posterboy Jace will be the main character of it.

Personally I don't want a single main character like that. i want to see the backstories of each of our lovely gatewatchers unfold. I want to see the epic spectacle of an unrelenting Chandra's spark ignite as she lash's out at Baral. I want a good story of honor and kinship from Gideon. I want to understand the pain and trauma Liliana has been through. Oh and Jace. Why is he powerful? What is his story, again? Oh he is just a blatantly powerful person for no reason who doesn't deserve it. *Cough cough* Rey

That was me throwing maximum shade at this sequel trilogy. I am not against it, except episode 8. That was trash. So I guess I hate half of what's been released, but I just don't like Rey's character. Perhaps when she has some more character development and a story arc.

Wwolfe, you made me digress. This is 100% your fault.

But I don't think I'll get what I want, or at least not to the extent I want, for both this TV show and star wars. Although that new mandalorian show looks great. And a new season of the clone (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Clone) wars is coming out. Man I still have to watch star wars rebels. I can't find seasons 1-3 anywhere for free. I think the show (mtg again) will be focused on the gatewatch saving the day as they do. And Jace will of course be the main character. But hopefully it is good.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: ORCH1D on June 15, 2019, 01:04:47 pm
So you want origins as a TV show Red_Wyrm?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 15, 2019, 01:43:53 pm
So you want origins as a TV show Red_Wyrm?


YES!
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 16, 2019, 02:05:00 pm
So you want origins as a TV show Red_Wyrm?

This I could get behind!
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Firegriff on June 17, 2019, 01:14:45 am
I personally wouldn't mind if they has a variety of shows set in different eras and Planes... Starting with Urza (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Urza) and Mishra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Mishra)'s War.  Maybe with Serra (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Serra) as a separate (though obviously overlapping) focal character.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on June 26, 2019, 04:23:47 pm
Any word on the next plane?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 26, 2019, 05:01:57 pm
Any word on the next plane?

People are saying it is Kaldheim. I haven't been keeping up, but from secondary sources, I hear  it is all but confirmed.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 26, 2019, 08:12:25 pm
Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a fresh plane.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Red_Wyrm on June 26, 2019, 11:24:18 pm
Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a fresh plane.

It beats going to damn Ravnica three times. That was ridiculous. They did absolutely amazing with the war of the spark trailer and story and delivery of it all, I think, so I can't be too upset. It was a good finale to the very long Nicol Bolas (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Nicol+Bolas) story, which started just after the Eldrazi ended, if I remember correctly. It was no Endgame finale, but it was good. I truly hope they have a fresh story going forward, and can build up to that same level of epicness, but I don't want just another adventure for the gate watch. We can go a few sets without the gatewatch, right? Or has Magic: The Gathering turned into the story of the gatewatch? I guess you can't really have Lord of the Rings without the fellowship, even though they broke apart, it followed the characters still. But MTG is not a book or a movie. Why can we only have the one group of protagonists?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on June 26, 2019, 11:29:29 pm
My guess is with the storytelling now they'll continue to have the Gatewatch be the "stars" of the story. Or at the very least, Jace.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Loggiu on June 26, 2019, 11:45:18 pm
they might do something like mortal kombat with time travels and different timelines...
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Shredwick on July 01, 2019, 01:03:26 pm
Time travel's been done so many times... Urza (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Urza)'s Saga, Time Spiral (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Time+Spiral) (duh (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Duh)), Tarkir, but there's nothing stopping them from doing it again.

Obviously at least a couple members of the gatewatch will be front and center.  at the end of the war of the spark novel they gave different groups of two or three watchers the tasks of hunting down Dovin Baan (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Dovin+Baan), Tezzeret, and Liliana.  So I think that will take up the next few sets.  I just hope it's somewhere new.  Perhaps we'll finally get an actual legion of doom, with dovin, tez, and lili recruiting people like ob nix or some of the other "evil" planeswalkers" or something.  Magic: the Gathering: Civil War.

I just want more Davriel.  and to know who the hell the wanderer (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=The+Wanderer) is.

Anyway, that's still a ways off.  Next thing to hit spoiler season is C20, and then the next standard set to release (https://cards.deckstats.net/magiccard.php?utf8=1&lng=en&card=Release) in Sept.  Can't wait for C20 though, as a huge EDH lover.  I only follow standard for the story.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: WWolfe on July 08, 2019, 05:44:57 pm
New set announcement will probably be at SDCC won't it? So end of this month if so.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Soren841 on July 08, 2019, 05:46:39 pm
From this point on.. we go downhill...
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on July 18, 2019, 11:05:07 pm
Fairies in the next set, any ideas for the plane?
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Morganator 2.0 on July 18, 2019, 11:16:47 pm
Lorwyn is the first one to come to mind, but lots of places have faeries.
Title: Re: Where do we go from here?
Post by: Judaspriester on July 18, 2019, 11:34:47 pm
According to the Photo I've got (https://deckstats.net/forum/index.php/topic,47867.0.html), it seems like they will be a main theme for the deck. I've just taken a look at the lorwyn cards, a return there could be interesting.