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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #15 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 09:47:55 am »
I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan alittle 😂

Well, if you can't recover with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong.  ;)

That's why I try and have a Riftsweeper in each Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck I build. (Fav commander atm)
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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #16 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 10:18:06 am »
I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan alittle 😂

Well, if you can't recover with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong.  ;)

That's why I try and have a Riftsweeper in each Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck I build. (Fav commander atm)

Nice tip with Riftsweeper. I somehow missed him until now for Muldrotha (currently got one permanent-only, thinking about superfriends).
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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #17 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 10:33:18 am »
I've never liked Planeswalkers, they're just far too much value for their mana cost, so they tend to swing a game really heavily if one player has them and another doesn't. The newer Planeswalkers aren't so bad with only one or two abilities, but they cause the same problems on a slightly smaller scale. The only positive of WotS Planeswalkers for me is that they are so common now that you can try them out easily, so you can use them more casually and counter the power imbalance of your opponent using a Planeswalker. But the guy with the cash to splash on 4x Nicol Bolas and 4x of each Tefari etc. is still going to massively overpower any casual player.
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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #18 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 10:33:52 am »
I personally haven’t been overwhelmed by the new planeswalkers, but can see their uses depending on the deck.
I usually play EDH and have put an ashiok in my muldrotha deck. it has been extremely useful as I found out witk kiora from the old sets the one that -2 is mill four deep and pick a creature and/or land from within them.
When my opponents have got an ashiok it kinda ruins the game plan alittle 😂

Well, if you can't recover with muldrotha after someone wiped your graveyard, something went horrible wrong.  ;)

That's why I try and have a Riftsweeper in each Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck I build. (Fav commander atm)

Nice tip with Riftsweeper. I somehow missed him until now for Muldrotha (currently got one permanent-only, thinking about superfriends).

To show the value of the new War Planeswalkers and to make a suggestion to Judaspriester...
https://deckstats.net/decks/121107/1279106-muldrotha-walker-s-graveyard/en
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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #19 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 10:40:24 am »
@leonixious not exactly how I would build it, but I agree with the direction. ;)
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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #20 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 11:07:39 am »
I don't think this is a problem. The mythic and rare slot do what they do but the uncommons at least are just enchantments/artifacts with activated abilities and charge counters. Looking at other recent sets uncommons are very cheap - actually the WAR uncommons are more valuable than most other uncommons. That to me sounds like good design - if it takes away from the value of the higher rarities. As a player it's really frustrating to see that a simple and moderately powerful card is printed at a high rarity, locking it completely out of my price range. These walkers don't do that, I can now put actually useful walkers in my decks without having to pay tens of dollars for them.
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Re: The Incredibly low value of Planeswalkers - War Of The Spark
« Respuesta #21 en: Mayo 15, 2019, 01:53:04 pm »
I think they're fine. A lot of even the uncommons are playable in certain situations but not to be overpowering. Narset being the best uncommon for most formats is pretty clear, imo.

What I find curious about your initial statement is that you compared the uncommon walkers to uncommons of other sets, saying only narset is worth a couple bucks, with Ashiok and Saheeli being worth a buck, then mentioned, Fatal Push, Curious Obsession and Light up the Stage. Why I find that curious is that you listed three uncommons from WAR worth over a dollar, but only one from each of Aether Revolt, Ixalan and one of the Ravs (I always get them mixed up in my head). Usually a set might have one uncommon worth anything while it's in standard, and if it stays up its a really good uncommon (looking at you, fatal push). This set currently has three planeswalkers at uncommon worth more than a dollar and I can think of one more that will be there (Liliana's Triumph - who doesn't like Diabolic Edict?) So potentially 4, and all 4 of those I can see retaining that roughly dollar to three dollar value even post rotation, since Narset is basically a god in all formats, saheeli has places and mill is fun to some people (and again, who doesn't like Diabolic Edict, now available in modern!) So yes, I feel like WotC did a good job with these walkers. They're unique, they, in general, fit the power level of their respective rarities and they have decent value (I actually expect a handful of the rare walkers to go up significantly in price as the years progress. They're good, but it's too early and the set was so heavily opened at the start that prices are low as people try to recoup their investment.)
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